"Canon Arm" Technique
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"Canon Arm" Technique
I know there's a lot of talk about Irish illegality at the ruck, but this is a new one on me, putting arms down early as you go into contact to propel yourselves forward. I have to agree with the discussion it leaves the player's arm extremely vulnerable.
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Plus, as they say on video, head on head contact. I don't know if, in open play, any law is broken; so what's the answer?
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This is the thing for me, are they actually breaking the laws by putting their hand on the ground going into the tackle? They kept saying they were in the video but what does it say in the laws about broken play? Is it still the case that a tackle is complete when a knee touches the ground, has that ever actually been the case or am I making that up?
It does seem a little like the SA's are trying to find ways of stopping the Irish before the WC starts though....
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Surely they are ‘off feet’ as they are no longer fully supporting their body weight with their feet (the same principle is frequently applied at the breakdown). I remember it as a penalty offence to deliberately go to ground/off-feet without being tackled/to avoid being tackled. Isn’t that still the case?
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Yep, off feet. So surely need to release the ball?Grimlish wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:08 am Surely they are ‘off feet’ as they are no longer fully supporting their body weight with their feet (the same principle is frequently applied at the breakdown). I remember it as a penalty offence to deliberately go to ground/off-feet without being tackled/to avoid being tackled. Isn’t that still the case?
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That should be pretty easy to referee then.
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Double movement would be my call because of the propulsion after the hand touching the ground
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As long as the knee doesn't touch the floor the tackle isn't complete.
Surely the best way to get around this is to start targeting the ball. They've got one arm on the floor so the ball is tucked under the other.
Surely the best way to get around this is to start targeting the ball. They've got one arm on the floor so the ball is tucked under the other.
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The problem is the the ball is under them behind the head so it is difficult to target and the are falling / scrabbling forwards with a player supporting them from behind. Outlawing the prebind and requiring rucking players to arrive on their feet would be the best option.
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That assumes a tackle is being made and is the ruse being used. But if there is no tackle at the moment the hand hits the floor it can’t be complete. So other laws should apply. Deliberately going to ground still seems the main candidate to be applied in this set of circumstances.sam16111986 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:54 pm As long as the knee doesn't touch the floor the tackle isn't complete.
Surely the best way to get around this is to start targeting the ball. They've got one arm on the floor so the ball is tucked under the other.
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As soon as the hand touches the ground they are "off feet" so should stop trying to propel forward. The fact is that they plan to do this lets it seem as if they quickly place the ball.sam16111986 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:54 pm As long as the knee doesn't touch the floor the tackle isn't complete.
Surely the best way to get around this is to start targeting the ball. They've got one arm on the floor so the ball is tucked under the other.
Can see the problem because WR define a tackle complete with knee down but also define off feet when any part but feet touch the ground.
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Can't find any law against deliberately going to groundGrimlish wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:37 pmThat assumes a tackle is being made and is the ruse being used. But if there is no tackle at the moment the hand hits the floor it can’t be complete. So other laws should apply. Deliberately going to ground still seems the main candidate to be applied in this set of circumstances.sam16111986 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:54 pm As long as the knee doesn't touch the floor the tackle isn't complete.
Surely the best way to get around this is to start targeting the ball. They've got one arm on the floor so the ball is tucked under the other.
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Which is why I said it’s what I remember (from playing long ago). However the laws do say clearly that rugby is a game intended to be played on the feet.Can't find any law against deliberately going to ground
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I'm sure there was a law about voluntary tackle or something similar which was against players going to ground unopposed.....wonder why they changed it....unless my memory is wrong.