I think they are worried about any capital expenditure and what the post Trailfinders future is. Unlike some other "owned" clubs, there isn't necessarily anything to eventually sell on to a new owner.GB72 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:17 amJust biding their time, let the media uproar grow about them not being promoted and about the 10 team prem then just wait until rules are relaxed enough to get the promotion irrespective then start taking that TV money without having to make any capital expenditure.Hot_Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:10 amThey need both the PP and the evidence of available funding to complete the work.LE18 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:03 pm My advice to Ealing is:- go ahead and apply for planning permission, this wouldn't be at a massive cost and it would show the RFU they are serious. It may also attract extra fans knowing this and wishing to see Prem rugby.
If the RFU stil lsay no, but the Planning Permission is granted, then the club dont necessarily have to go ahead with the development, but at least thr RFU would have to take their application much more seriously.
There's obviously a reason they aren't doing it, be it they think it will be unsuccessful at a local planning level or they don't have the concrete medium to long-term funding in place.
There's no apparent external hurdle from either of the villainous RFU or Prem Rugby to stop them doing it.
Again, as I've said before, the evidence suggests they aren't serious under the current ownership, be it through not wanting to commit to the above, or because they are just trying to be disruptors.
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The Ealing bums on seats argument falls down when you take into account their attendance against Tigers wasn’t much bigger.
Also there are a number of championship clubs who average larger crowds. Even Ampthill and Caldy regularly have 100s in for their home games
Also there are a number of championship clubs who average larger crowds. Even Ampthill and Caldy regularly have 100s in for their home games
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This is where i have a bit of an issue in that the Championship should be developing a product that can attract a reasonable crowd and aim to have a product worthy of its own TV deal. At the moment it is not and is overly reliant on RFU funding to continue.mol2 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:46 am Ealing might not put many bums on seats in their league but that also reflects that they are playing in the Championship. The Championship doesn't fill anyone with excitement and I suspect that if any Premiership sides dropped down their attendances would fall, especially after more than one season.
Perhaps it needs to take the bull by the horns and work on increasing the public interest and work out how to bring its own product closer to that of the Prem and develop of product that people want to watch. Again, if Ealing had spent a third of that player budget on marketing and increasing their presence and getting people through the doors they may be in a stronger position overall.
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One step at a time, get PP then work on money guarantee, like I said you dont necessary have to go ahead, a bird in the hand!Hot_Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:10 amThey need both the PP and the evidence of available funding to complete the work.LE18 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:03 pm My advice to Ealing is:- go ahead and apply for planning permission, this wouldn't be at a massive cost and it would show the RFU they are serious. It may also attract extra fans knowing this and wishing to see Prem rugby.
If the RFU stil lsay no, but the Planning Permission is granted, then the club dont necessarily have to go ahead with the development, but at least thr RFU would have to take their application much more seriously.
There's obviously a reason they aren't doing it, be it they think it will be unsuccessful at a local planning level or they don't have the concrete medium to long-term funding in place.
There's no apparent external hurdle from either of the villainous RFU or Prem Rugby to stop them doing it.
Again, as I've said before, the evidence suggests they aren't serious under the current ownership, be it through not wanting to commit to the above, or because they are just trying to be disruptors.
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They've had years. Their owner is now in their late 80s and appears as rich as he ever was. They need both the PP and the evidence of finance to fulfil the stadium criteria; if they got promoted they would be expected to go ahead.LE18 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:42 pmOne step at a time, get PP then work on money guarantee, like I said you dont necessary have to go ahead, a bird in the hand!Hot_Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:10 amThey need both the PP and the evidence of available funding to complete the work.LE18 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 16, 2024 8:03 pm My advice to Ealing is:- go ahead and apply for planning permission, this wouldn't be at a massive cost and it would show the RFU they are serious. It may also attract extra fans knowing this and wishing to see Prem rugby.
If the RFU stil lsay no, but the Planning Permission is granted, then the club dont necessarily have to go ahead with the development, but at least thr RFU would have to take their application much more seriously.
There's obviously a reason they aren't doing it, be it they think it will be unsuccessful at a local planning level or they don't have the concrete medium to long-term funding in place.
There's no apparent external hurdle from either of the villainous RFU or Prem Rugby to stop them doing it.
Again, as I've said before, the evidence suggests they aren't serious under the current ownership, be it through not wanting to commit to the above, or because they are just trying to be disruptors.
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Here is a left field suggestion
1. promotion cannot be achieved without an average attendance of 5000
2 promotion cannot be achieved without a business plan approved by Prem rugby
3. If you meet these 2 conditions you are in the top 2 of the championship you can apply for promotion.
Hopefully Ealing, Pirates, Coventry and Doncaster will work at improving their attendances as a way to get into the Prem.
Bunker here I come
1. promotion cannot be achieved without an average attendance of 5000
2 promotion cannot be achieved without a business plan approved by Prem rugby
3. If you meet these 2 conditions you are in the top 2 of the championship you can apply for promotion.
Hopefully Ealing, Pirates, Coventry and Doncaster will work at improving their attendances as a way to get into the Prem.
Bunker here I come
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I agree but I would add that club owners, senior shareholders etc should personally guarantee wages and essential rugby expenses etc for a minimum of two seasons ahead in the Premiership.
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And the flip side of the coin for the Premiership:trendylfj wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2024 5:03 pm Here is a left field suggestion
1. promotion cannot be achieved without an average attendance of 5000
2 promotion cannot be achieved without a business plan approved by Prem rugby
3. If you meet these 2 conditions you are in the top 2 of the championship you can apply for promotion.
Hopefully Ealing, Pirates, Coventry and Doncaster will work at improving their attendances as a way to get into the Prem.
Bunker here I come
1. relegation cannot be avoided without an average attendance of 5000
2 relegation cannot be avoided without a business plan approved by Prem rugby
3. If you meet these 2 conditions you are in the bottom 2 of the premiershipship you cannot avois relegation.
Is this a step towards a franchise model for top flight domestic rugby?
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I think we have to be realistic and accept that a Championship with financially healthy teams ready to build 10k stadiums is the 'end state', but were nowhere near it right now. Current state is that no-one in the country is financially healthy.
I'd love to see an RFU vision that describes what that transition looks like - how we get there.
I'd love to see an RFU vision that describes what that transition looks like - how we get there.
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Laughable really, there has been in the past decade Premiership clubs with no ground of their own, no financial plan that would have got passed by any authority anywhere on the planet and some did also struggle to get 5000 fans, even when giving tickets away for free. But let's kid ourself that all is perfect in the world of Premiership rugby eh?
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I don’t think anyone does, but there are some that are resistant to any change that might see their beloved club being merged or becoming franchised or any of the other options availabletigerburnie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 3:16 pm Laughable really, there has been in the past decade Premiership clubs with no ground of their own, no financial plan that would have got passed by any authority anywhere on the planet and some did also struggle to get 5000 fans, even when giving tickets away for free. But let's kid ourself that all is perfect in the world of Premiership rugby eh?