Ealing PRC game info

[johnthegriff]

Whitely is our 3rd choice scrumhalf, Shilcock is our 3rd choice 15 and since the departure of Atkinson is our 2nd choice 10. Actually I didn't think he had a bad game behind a pack that was struggling. With international absences I think some people have become confused over what exactly is our 1st team. Today we won because we made fewer mistakes than the opposition, I am sure the coaches know where we need to improve but I do hope young players get the chance to step up before we sign any player that is not a probable starter.

[Tiglon]

Agree with this.

I wonder if some contracts will be looked at.

Based on one game? No. That would be nuts. Based over the season as a whole? I would hope so and I’m sure DMK won’t hold back if he feels the need. Some tweaking required for sure.

It's not just one game though, is it? Whitely and Shillcock kicking again was seen to be a huge problem even when not under any real pressure and back line not moved well by either ; front row been discussed elsewhere; did Hanro show leadership - talk to ref? Just questions for me, no doubt answers will come from DMK.

Whiteley is a decent third choice 9, although today was not his best, I'd imagine he'll be here until Edwards steps up or another promising youngsters turns up.

Shillcock's kicking was poor - he's an interesting one, can he get a first XV contract in the Premiership? I doubt it. Can we get a better back up 10/15 for similar money? I'm not sure we can. My guess is he'll be here until he gets a nice ProD2 offer.

I'm pretty sure Hanro isn't getting his contract ripped up any time soon.

Cokanasiga put his hand up, he looked like he's worth more game time.

[TigerFeetSteve]

Based on one game? No. That would be nuts. Based over the season as a whole? I would hope so and I’m sure DMK won’t hold back if he feels the need. Some tweaking required for sure.

It's not just one game though, is it? Whitely and Shillcock kicking again was seen to be a huge problem even when not under any real pressure and back line not moved well by either ; front row been discussed elsewhere; did Hanro show leadership - talk to ref? Just questions for me, no doubt answers will come from DMK.

Whiteley is a decent third choice 9, although today was not his best, I'd imagine he'll be here until Edwards steps up or another promising youngsters turns up.

Shillcock's kicking was poor - he's an interesting one, can he get a first XV contract in the Premiership? I doubt it. Can we get a better back up 10/15 for similar money? I'm not sure we can. My guess is he'll be here until he gets a nice ProD2 offer.

I'm pretty sure Hanro isn't getting his contract ripped up any time soon.

Cokanasiga put his hand up, he looked like he's worth more game time.

Whiteley has shown to be a decent 3rd choice option managing to oust Powell from that position. With both Edwards and Allan coming through his time may be limited unless Youngs retires.

Shillcock has shown with gametime he is a very good player. I think he's ideal as backup 10/15, from his interviews it seems clear he was a Tigers fan growing up so if he enjoys it here I think he may stay a while. His performances have got him an England A call up so lets see what happens there.

Cokanasiga is an interesting one. Yesterday was his best game for us in a while. Since joining he's been unfortunate with injuries (both his and others), meaning he spent a lot of time injured or as a bench reserve. He was great in attack, but I'm less sure in his defence in a key defensive position. Yes he has potential, but so do Woodward & Cusick, a lot depends on what's happening with our centres. There has been noise (which appears to be soley based on 1 Aus trip when concussed, and only reported on by one UK based reporter not an Aus one) that Porter is leaving a year early on his contract giving up on international rugby and going to Aus, personally I still doubt he's going (but I've been wrong before). Scott & Cokanasiga are the ones I think that are out of contract in our squad, before yesterday's game I'd have said Cokanasiga may be already almost gone, was yesterday enough to change minds I'm not sure, it all depends on who else is on the table contract wise

[Rugbygramps]

The point re Hanro leadership is a fair one. Obviously he is one of the cornerstones of our side but does seem very quiet, the opposite to Julian who is always in the refs ear

[CrumblingTerrace]

I was sat behind the posts in one of the games where Cokanasiga came on earlier in the season (Sale?) and his defensive shape left us vulnerable. He looks really good ball in hand, but needs more time to develop that other side of his game. You can't be loose in the #13 shirt against top sides, they'll tear you to bits.

[fentiger]

The point re Hanro leadership is a fair one. Obviously he is one of the cornerstones of our side but does seem very quiet, the opposite to Julian who is always in the refs ear

Also possible that analysis may have shown that Adam Leal doesn't respond well to a captain talking to him?

[Rugbygramps]

I was sat behind the posts in one of the games where Cokanasiga came on earlier in the season (Sale?) and his defensive shape left us vulnerable. He looks really good ball in hand, but needs more time to develop that other side of his game. You can't be loose in the #13 shirt against top sides, they'll tear you to bits.

Good job he was wearing 12 then . It’s a difficult one with reduced squad sizes next season is he a better long term bet than Woodward I’m not sure.
Have to say Matt Scott did well playing out of position on the wing 1 excellent defensive read in particular and showed a clean pair of heels for his try. I think it would be great to keep him for another season, but he does seem to have a hankering to return to Scotland

[Rugbygramps]

The point re Hanro leadership is a fair one. Obviously he is one of the cornerstones of our side but does seem very quiet, the opposite to Julian who is always in the refs ear

Also possible that analysis may have shown that Adam Leal doesn't respond well to a captain talking to him?

Very true but it is something I’ve noticed before and a ref should always be prepared to listen to a captain as long as it’s done properly

[sam16111986]

The point re Hanro leadership is a fair one. Obviously he is one of the cornerstones of our side but does seem very quiet, the opposite to Julian who is always in the refs ear

Also possible that analysis may have shown that Adam Leal doesn't respond well to a captain talking to him?

I think Leal is/was a school teacher so it might he has a shorter tolerance of back chat than others. I don't think Liebenburg is that kind of person. If you listen to his interviews he's a slow and considered speaker. I suspect when he speaks people listen but he doesn't feel the need to be voicing every thought.

Leal had a good game on the whistle, I'm not sure Liebenburg had much to complain about to be honest. Our scrum go minced and without a specialist jackle threat we couldn't monopolise on his our defence drove them back.

[RunTigerRun]

I was sat behind the posts in one of the games where Cokanasiga came on earlier in the season (Sale?) and his defensive shape left us vulnerable. He looks really good ball in hand, but needs more time to develop that other side of his game. You can't be loose in the #13 shirt against top sides, they'll tear you to bits.

Good job he was wearing 12 then . It’s a difficult one with reduced squad sizes next season is he a better long term bet than Woodward I’m not sure.
Have to say Matt Scott did well playing out of position on the wing 1 excellent defensive read in particular and showed a clean pair of heels for his try. I think it would be great to keep him for another season, but he does seem to have a hankering to return to Scotland

Whilst still not his strongest suit, his defence yesterday was better than I’ve seen from him previously. As you say depends on who else is leaving/staying in the centres. Scott’s versatility on yesterday’s showing was impressive and I’d put him as our best all round centre. If he wants to stay and we can put a reasonable offer down I’d keep him for sure.
I’d also keep Phil. Woodward looks good and is one for the future. Hopefully Kelly will be wanting to try and get back into the England squad, same as Porter if he stays. Kata will likely be away with Tonga so we are going to need some more depth. Cokanasiga/Scott and Woodward on the bench or vice versa is a good option for those periods - but we’d look a bit thin if one of those left.

Again, Myall looks a talent, but at 18 I don’t think is quite ready. He’s done well at Nat 1, I’d like to see him with some championship exposure on loan next year to truly judge. But by all account is one to watch.

[Rugbygramps]

There weren’t really any contentious decisions. Other than their yellow card was the TMO used at all, and that was a good spot by the officials

[Rugbygramps]

I was sat behind the posts in one of the games where Cokanasiga came on earlier in the season (Sale?) and his defensive shape left us vulnerable. He looks really good ball in hand, but needs more time to develop that other side of his game. You can't be loose in the #13 shirt against top sides, they'll tear you to bits.

Good job he was wearing 12 then . It’s a difficult one with reduced squad sizes next season is he a better long term bet than Woodward I’m not sure.
Have to say Matt Scott did well playing out of position on the wing 1 excellent defensive read in particular and showed a clean pair of heels for his try. I think it would be great to keep him for another season, but he does seem to have a hankering to return to Scotland

Whilst still not his strongest suit, his defence yesterday was better than I’ve seen from him previously. As you say depends on who else is leaving/staying in the centres. Scott’s versatility on yesterday’s showing was impressive and I’d put him as our best all round centre. If he wants to stay and we can put a reasonable offer down I’d keep him for sure.
I’d also keep Phil. Woodward looks good and is one for the future. Hopefully Kelly will be wanting to try and get back into the England squad, same as Porter if he stays. Kata will likely be away with Tonga so we are going to need some more depth. Cokanasiga/Scott and Woodward on the bench or vice versa is a good option for those periods - but we’d look a bit thin if one of those left.

Again, Myall looks a talent, but at 18 I don’t think is quite ready. He’s done well at Nat 1, I’d like to see him with some championship exposure on loan next year to truly judge. But by all account is one to watch.

A powerful runner with deception and decent hands, if he’s someone the coaches feel they can work with then keep him if possible. Without wishing to open one of our favourite topics again is this another case of a lack of backs/attack coach having an impact

[RunTigerRun]

Good job he was wearing 12 then . It’s a difficult one with reduced squad sizes next season is he a better long term bet than Woodward I’m not sure.
Have to say Matt Scott did well playing out of position on the wing 1 excellent defensive read in particular and showed a clean pair of heels for his try. I think it would be great to keep him for another season, but he does seem to have a hankering to return to Scotland

Whilst still not his strongest suit, his defence yesterday was better than I’ve seen from him previously. As you say depends on who else is leaving/staying in the centres. Scott’s versatility on yesterday’s showing was impressive and I’d put him as our best all round centre. If he wants to stay and we can put a reasonable offer down I’d keep him for sure.
I’d also keep Phil. Woodward looks good and is one for the future. Hopefully Kelly will be wanting to try and get back into the England squad, same as Porter if he stays. Kata will likely be away with Tonga so we are going to need some more depth. Cokanasiga/Scott and Woodward on the bench or vice versa is a good option for those periods - but we’d look a bit thin if one of those left.

Again, Myall looks a talent, but at 18 I don’t think is quite ready. He’s done well at Nat 1, I’d like to see him with some championship exposure on loan next year to truly judge. But by all account is one to watch.

A powerful runner with deception and decent hands, if he’s someone the coaches feel they can work with then keep him if possible. Without wishing to open one of our favourite topics again is this another case of a lack of backs/attack coach having an impact

Exactly that RG. Potential is there - just depends if it’s seen as workable. For his sake, and ours to an extent, I hope so.

Re the second point - I think the longer it takes for news to come the trickier the situation becomes. Especially if we are then looking for an alternative as time is running thin… A resolution one way or another would be good.

[GETHIN EXILE]

There weren’t really any contentious decisions. Other than their yellow card was the TMO used at all, and that was a good spot by the officials

I'm sorry but if you looked at most of the scrums Ealing's looseheads were boring in and on at least 2 occasions ended up at 90 degrees to the centre line of the scrum. This is what caused Richardson to collapse or stand up. Even the commentators said that the assistant should have been pointing this out to Leal. If this had been picked up early on im sure that the scrums would have been a much better contest. I also noticed that on our throw the gap in the lineout was much narrower which is why Ealing were able to disrupt as much ball as they did.

[Leicestertinytiger]

The point re Hanro leadership is a fair one. Obviously he is one of the cornerstones of our side but does seem very quiet, the opposite to Julian who is always in the refs ear

Also possible that analysis may have shown that Adam Leal doesn't respond well to a captain talking to him?

Very true but it is something I’ve noticed before and a ref should always be prepared to listen to a captain as long as it’s done properly

Think it was a day to forget for the captain. He was awful all round. Gave away penalties. Missed tackles. Normally he’s Mr Consistent so just a bad day at the office.

Cokanasiga needs to be loaned out next season or leave. Think he’s got the talent to be a good 12, there’s much to his game than just power and he showed some deft handling. BUT he needs to be playing regularly, every week. No chance he’s getting that at Tigers at the moment.