England Training Squad - June 2023

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Re: England Training Squad - June 2023

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Pearson continuing his form from this season:

“Tom was on a bike this week and achieved scores I've never seen before.” - Borthwick

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/65908207

Competition in the back row is off the charts:

6. Lawes, Ludlam
7. J Willis, T Curry
8. B Vunipola, Mercer

It might be a shoot out between Pearson and Ludlam.
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Re: England Training Squad - June 2023

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If Underhill can stay fit (massive if I accept) he'll get into that discussion too I think. Willis has been brilliant at club level and shown flashes for England but Underhill's best is still miles ahead of what Willis has shown at international level currently.

I actually thought Ludlam had the most consistent Six Nations of that inexperienced back row but again Underhill's ceiling is a lot higher.
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Re: England Training Squad - June 2023

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I would be interested to see a backrow of 6 T Curry, 7 Pearson, 8 Earl. All 3 of them carry well above their size and weight, and excellent both sides of the ball
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J Willis got better over the six nations and probably played his best game against Ireland. I’d have him and Curry on the flanks.

Pearson off the bench. Underhill a shadow of the player he once was sadly.
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I think Lawes best days are well behind him, he is now so injury prone, never finishes a game, he would not be in my selection.
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Joe Gray and Jonny Wilkinson have been added to Englands coaches until after RWC
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Borthwick comments in interview he hopes Billy V will be fit for the August warm up matches
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Telegraph are speculating that the following will be called up:

Courtney Lawes, Lewis Ludlam, Alex Mitchell, Fraser Dingwall, Fin Smith, and David Ribbans (Northampton Saints).

Ben Youngs, Jack Van Poortvliet, Anthony Watson, Freddie Steward, Guy Porter, Dan Cole, Joe Heyes, and George Martin (Leicester Tigers).

They predict that one of Harry Randall or Ben Spencer may miss out, and that Dan Kelly and George Furbank will not be called up.

Apparently Ollie Hassell-Collins may not be called back to train with the squad.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... world-cup/
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Re: England Training Squad - June 2023

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Will be interesting to see if Borthwick runs as tight as ship info wise as he did at tigers

Because I don’t see how Kelly misses out
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Re: England Training Squad - June 2023

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No6_Flanker wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:14 pm Telegraph are speculating that the following will be called up:

Courtney Lawes, Lewis Ludlam, Alex Mitchell, Fraser Dingwall, Fin Smith, and David Ribbans (Northampton Saints).

Ben Youngs, Jack Van Poortvliet, Anthony Watson, Freddie Steward, Guy Porter, Dan Cole, Joe Heyes, and George Martin (Leicester Tigers).

They predict that one of Harry Randall or Ben Spencer may miss out, and that Dan Kelly and George Furbank will not be called up.

Apparently Ollie Hassell-Collins may not be called back to train with the squad.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/rugby-union ... world-cup/
I'm not sure the article said that about Porter (or any Tigers players), it just said all of those players had featured in Borthwick's 6N squads at some point; it named checked DK as obviously their sources have indicated he hasn't been called up, which is a surprise.
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I'd be surprised if Dan wasn't called up (I'd be similarly surprised if more than about 4 Saints were). But whatever Tigers don't appear for England is good for Tigers...
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TigerFeetSteve wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:08 am https://www.englandrugby.com/news/artic ... ining-camp

Kelly misses out
Surprised and a little concerned. A year since his England cap I can see the Irish sides sniffing round if he doesn’t play for England again
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Re: England Training Squad - June 2023

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Forwards
Jamie Blamire (Newcastle Falcons)
Dan Cole (Leicester Tigers)
Alex Dombrandt (Harlequins)
Tom Dunn (Bath Rugby)
Charlie Ewels (Bath Rugby)
Ellis Genge (Bristol Bears)
Joe Heyes (Leicester Tigers)
Ted Hill (Bath Rugby)
Courtney Lawes (Northampton Saints)
Lewis Ludlam (Northampton Saints)
Joe Marler (Harlequins)
George Martin (Leicester Tigers)
Zach Mercer (Montpellier Hérault Rugby)
Beno Obano (Bath Rugby)
Tom Pearson (London Irish)
Val Rapava-Ruskin (Gloucester Rugby)
David Ribbans (Northampton Saints)
Kyle Sinckler (Bristol Bears)
Will Stuart (Bath Rugby)
Sam Underhill (Bath Rugby)

Backs
Henry Arundell (London Irish)
Danny Care (Harlequins)
Joe Cokanasiga (Bath Rugby)
Fraser Dingwall (Northampton Saints)
Tommy Freeman (Northampton Saints)
Will Joseph (London Irish)
Joe Marchant (Harlequins)
Jonny May (Gloucester Rugby)
Alex Mitchell (Northampton Saints)
Cadan Murley (Harlequins)
Guy Porter (Leicester Tigers)
Henry Slade (Exeter Chiefs)
Fin Smith (Northampton Saints)
Marcus Smith (Harlequins)
Freddie Steward (Leicester Tigers)
Jack van Poortvliet (Leicester Tigers)
Anthony Watson (Leicester Tigers)
Ben Youngs (Leicester Tigers)


Billy Vunipola (Saracens), Ollie Chessum (Leicester Tigers) and Luke Cowan-Dickie (Exeter Chiefs) remain in camp to continue their rehabilitation from injury.
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Re: England Training Squad - June 2023

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Rugbygramps wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:11 am
TigerFeetSteve wrote: Mon Jun 19, 2023 9:08 am https://www.englandrugby.com/news/artic ... ining-camp

Kelly misses out
Surprised and a little concerned. A year since his England cap I can see the Irish sides sniffing round if he doesn’t play for England again
Not concerned on that front really, doubt he'll be gone for long. Post World Cup I expect a bit of a clear out and rebuild from Borthwick. Fully expecting Kelly to be in and about plans for the 6N if fit
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