Tigers v Exeter (H) - Sunday 16th April 2023 - KO 3-00pm

[sapajo]

Exeter have not had to put much into this game and with no one having to be subbed off through injury

[westwinds31]

We owe them one for the opening day defeat. Shouldn’t be a problem getting up for it.

[Wayne Richardson Fan Club]

Callum Green is individually way down the 2nd row pecking order, yet there are various parts of the teams game plan that function much better with him on the field.

[mol2]

Green is a good player and served Tigers well. I would say poorly served by Tigers in his first stint when he left for Newcastle in an era where the Tigers coaching seemed obsessed with playing experienced Kolpak utility back row/locks.

Clearly the emergence of Chessum, Martin “converting” to lock and the return to fitness of Henderson has seen him drop down the pecking order. However there is a significant likelihood we will be without Martin and Henderson for the World Cup as well as Chessum if fit (assuming he is recovered by then) so let’s hope his injury isn’t career ending.

[tigerburnie]

Martin has always been a lock, not converted at all, just a bit like Courtney Lawes he is quick enough and good enough to play either, our own Martin Corry another example.

[Rugbygramps]

Martin has always been a lock, not converted at all, just a bit like Courtney Lawes he is quick enough and good enough to play either, our own Martin Corry another example.

I’ve always thought this too. He certainly came through the age grades and academy as a lock

[tigerburnie]

He played for Leicester Lions for a season in the National leagues as a lock too.

[trendylfj]

Montoya really should not be considered for the coming weekend game - the protocols to be followed are these :-

After a player has been diagnosed with a concussion, they are monitored and may only commence the return to play protocol when symptom free

Progressing to each new stage also requires that the player remain free of symptoms. Should any of the activities defined in each stage trigger recurrence of symptoms or signs of a concussion, the activities should be discontinued and the player must return to the prior phase in the protocol

Every player is treated as an individual and objective decisions about treatment are made based on the current injury, past medical history, risk profile of the player and the player’s response to each stage of the return to play protocol

This return to play protocol features a medically supervised six-stage process, starting with complete rest followed by light exercise with gradually increasing intensity culminating with contact training. Each stage is a minimum of 24 hours but often longer

The player must remain at the pre-concussion baseline level clear of signs and symptoms during activities outlined in each phase and remain so after before being cleared to move to the next stage

Having completed the six stages, a player may only return to play when they have completed a comprehensive neurocognitive test

[ADDED JAN 2022] Any player in line to return within 10 days must be assessed by a World Rugby-approved Independent Concussion Consultant

6 stages with a minimum of 24 hrs on each stage and also must be cleared by an independent consultant means it would be very difficult and IMHO wrong to try and get him back for next Sunday.

[longlivethecrumbie]

Montoya really should not be considered for the coming weekend game - the protocols to be followed are these :-

After a player has been diagnosed with a concussion, they are monitored and may only commence the return to play protocol when symptom free

Progressing to each new stage also requires that the player remain free of symptoms. Should any of the activities defined in each stage trigger recurrence of symptoms or signs of a concussion, the activities should be discontinued and the player must return to the prior phase in the protocol

Every player is treated as an individual and objective decisions about treatment are made based on the current injury, past medical history, risk profile of the player and the player’s response to each stage of the return to play protocol

This return to play protocol features a medically supervised six-stage process, starting with complete rest followed by light exercise with gradually increasing intensity culminating with contact training. Each stage is a minimum of 24 hours but often longer

The player must remain at the pre-concussion baseline level clear of signs and symptoms during activities outlined in each phase and remain so after before being cleared to move to the next stage

Having completed the six stages, a player may only return to play when they have completed a comprehensive neurocognitive test

[ADDED JAN 2022] Any player in line to return within 10 days must be assessed by a World Rugby-approved Independent Concussion Consultant

6 stages with a minimum of 24 hrs on each stage and also must be cleared by an independent consultant means it would be very difficult and IMHO wrong to try and get him back for next Sunday.

I'm sure they won't take any risks with anyone regarding head knocks - it doesn't matter how important a player you are. We'll need him for the rest of the season. If Dolly is back fit and firing then I'd imagine he'll either bench for Clare or vice versa.

[Rugbygramps]

Think you’re right and I would think Dolly will start.

[Soggypitch]

Think you’re right and I would think Dolly will start.

You maybe right but I would start Clare with Dolly off the bench for the last 30 mins.

Clare is under rated, he never lets us down, is a great thrower and a big lump in the scrum.

Generally we need our very best fit team next weekend, Exeter are back in form, with high confidence and a lot to play for still.

Having Porter back will be massive, Potter got badly exposed by Ringrose on Friday, he's not a natural centre and we really need Kelly and Porter back to their best for the run in.

[Pellsey]

If Montoya has been assessed by a number of doctors and is deemed fit, then he should play IMHO. If there is a risk, he shouldn't.

We do need him. We really are a different team without him.

[Rugbygramps]

Think you’re right and I would think Dolly will start.

You maybe right but I would start Clare with Dolly off the bench for the last 30 mins.

Clare is under rated, he never lets us down, is a great thrower and a big lump in the scrum.

Generally we need our very best fit team next weekend, Exeter are back in form, with high confidence and a lot to play for still.

Having Porter back will be massive, Potter got badly exposed by Ringrose on Friday, he's not a natural centre and we really need Kelly and Porter back to their best for the run in.

Only reason I suggest starting with Dolly is that if he is struggling it’s easier to swap him over at halftime. If he were to come on for Clare on the 50th minute mark, for example, that can’t happen baring injury.

Agree that if the medics say Montoya fit he plays, also not quite as convinced as others by Exeter but we’ll see

[TigerFeetSteve]

Think you’re right and I would think Dolly will start.

You maybe right but I would start Clare with Dolly off the bench for the last 30 mins.

Clare is under rated, he never lets us down, is a great thrower and a big lump in the scrum.

Generally we need our very best fit team next weekend, Exeter are back in form, with high confidence and a lot to play for still.

Having Porter back will be massive, Potter got badly exposed by Ringrose on Friday, he's not a natural centre and we really need Kelly and Porter back to their best for the run in.

Only reason I suggest starting with Dolly is that if he is struggling it’s easier to swap him over at halftime. If he were to come on for Clare on the 50th minute mark, for example, that can’t happen baring injury.

Agree that if the medics say Montoya fit he plays, also not quite as convinced as others by Exeter but we’ll see

If he were a back I'd agree, but hookeris a specialist position so we could always reverse any substitution

[Rugbygramps]

You maybe right but I would start Clare with Dolly off the bench for the last 30 mins.

Clare is under rated, he never lets us down, is a great thrower and a big lump in the scrum.

Generally we need our very best fit team next weekend, Exeter are back in form, with high confidence and a lot to play for still.

Having Porter back will be massive, Potter got badly exposed by Ringrose on Friday, he's not a natural centre and we really need Kelly and Porter back to their best for the run in.

Only reason I suggest starting with Dolly is that if he is struggling it’s easier to swap him over at halftime. If he were to come on for Clare on the 50th minute mark, for example, that can’t happen baring injury.

Agree that if the medics say Montoya fit he plays, also not quite as convinced as others by Exeter but we’ll see

If he were a back I'd agree, but hookeris a specialist position so we could always reverse any substitution

Only if Dolly was injured. Once he’s on the pitch he can’t be replaced unless tactical, or injury. I’m possibly not being clear