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Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
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Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
Yes statistics can be made to show anything, lies and damn lies. I had a discussion recently about Dombrandt, I didn't think he was playing very well but my learned friend threw so many statists about in support of him, I knew he was wrong. There are 2 sides to them.Qbec wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:19 pm What I found really interesting in some stats around our game yesterday were these:
Total Runs, Tigers = 106, Bris = 111,
Metres Run with the Ball, Tigers = 188, Bris = 419,
Seems to show its not the quantity of time or distance with the ball. its the quality of that time & how you use it that makes the difference.
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Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
Stats can provide an insight but you have to take more than just a small snapshot and dig into the detail.LE18 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:56 pmYes statistics can be made to show anything, lies and damn lies. I had a discussion recently about Dombrandt, I didn't think he was playing very well but my learned friend threw so many statists about in support of him, I knew he was wrong. There are 2 sides to them.Qbec wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:19 pm What I found really interesting in some stats around our game yesterday were these:
Total Runs, Tigers = 106, Bris = 111,
Metres Run with the Ball, Tigers = 188, Bris = 419,
Seems to show its not the quantity of time or distance with the ball. its the quality of that time & how you use it that makes the difference.
How many metres on average after contact is far more meaningful for instance than metres run. A fullback can wrack up the metres carried by running kicks back but if he gets smashed by the first defender the 25m made is pretty much worthless and certainly worth less than 5m a number 8 makes crashing through traffic giving his side momentum.
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Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
Think the key is meters "with the ball in hand"sam16111986 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:17 pmStats can provide an insight but you have to take more than just a small snapshot and dig into the detail.LE18 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 1:56 pmYes statistics can be made to show anything, lies and damn lies. I had a discussion recently about Dombrandt, I didn't think he was playing very well but my learned friend threw so many statists about in support of him, I knew he was wrong. There are 2 sides to them.Qbec wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 12:19 pm What I found really interesting in some stats around our game yesterday were these:
Total Runs, Tigers = 106, Bris = 111,
Metres Run with the Ball, Tigers = 188, Bris = 419,
Seems to show its not the quantity of time or distance with the ball. its the quality of that time & how you use it that makes the difference.
How many metres on average after contact is far more meaningful for instance than metres run. A fullback can wrack up the metres carried by running kicks back but if he gets smashed by the first defender the 25m made is pretty much worthless and certainly worth less than 5m a number 8 makes crashing through traffic giving his side momentum.
We certainly gained more meters kicking than they did. Our kick-chase was good.
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Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
This shows you can either run or kick the ball .. if you kick effectively and chase efficiently then it if more successful than running inefficiently
Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
But do the stats show metres run or metres gained from the gain line, I think its the later?mightymouse wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 2:43 pm This shows you can either run or kick the ball .. if you kick effectively and chase efficiently then it if more successful than running inefficiently
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Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
Either way they ran twice as much and scored half the points ..
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Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
Certainly in test rugby the stats show the teams that kick the balls more win more.
Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
The post reads "Metres Run"
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Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
Part of the problem was Carley’s decision not to award penalties for dominant scrummaging until the second half. Twice in the first 21 minutes we were nudging forward quite well and Carley insisted we use it, allowing Randall to harass Lenny into a scrambled clearing pass.sapajo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 11:30 amSave me as apart from his try I thought he was average. Caught twice in possession dithering and threw a nightmare pass to Brown for him to kick to touch to clear our lines and had a couple of knock on from passes to him.longlivethecrumbie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 25, 2023 9:02 pm There doesn't seem to be any criticism of Lenny in today's match thread. He had a few loose moments but I thought he was in pretty decent nick today.
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Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
One of the trials currently taking place in the southern hemisphere is that the opposition 9 can’t move past the tunnel, May well be spread worldwide
Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
There are lies.....damned lies......and statistics!
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Re: Tigers v Bristol (H) - Saturday 25th March 2023 - KO 12:30pm
This would be a great move to oen the game up.Rugbygramps wrote: ↑Sun Mar 26, 2023 5:25 pm One of the trials currently taking place in the southern hemisphere is that the opposition 9 can’t move past the tunnel, May well be spread worldwide