Dan McKellar to join Leicester Tigers as Head Coach

[CrumblingTerrace]

Borthwick is a superb analytical coach, but I think he recognised he's not hugely charismatic and would need that in his coaching team: hence Sinfield.

Be interesting to see how that works out this time if McKellar is as Borthwick-esque as is suggested.

[Tiglon]

Is charisma needed?

[Hot_Charlie]

Now I might be wrong and a kicking coach would be useful, generally these guys focus on the mechanics and not the strategy, because we have some young guys coming through and want to fine tune their skill sets. I'd wait to see who the incoming attack and defence coaches are and what IP we have on the coaching team first though.

I think some of the more modern "kicking coaches" at clubs are focusing on the strategic side of the kicking game. An actual "mechanics" kicking coach (typified by your Alred types) is probably best on an individual/consultant type basis depending on who and what needs addressing.

Dan Vickers is probably the best example I know of and is at Saracens. His role as described on their website is:

As well as kicking technique and tactics, Vickers’ role includes work under the high ball

So encompassing all of technical kicking, tactical strategy and kick receiving.

[Chobbsy]

Is charisma needed?

Yes, people follow chrisma without even realising

[Hot_Charlie]

Is charisma needed?

Yes, people follow chrisma without even realising

Which is fine as long as the charismatic person is also competent!

[RunTigerRun]

Borthwick is a superb analytical coach, but I think he recognised he's not hugely charismatic and would need that in his coaching team: hence Sinfield.

Be interesting to see how that works out this time if McKellar is as Borthwick-esque as is suggested.

After watching a couple of interviews with McKellar, one thing is he comes across as knowledgeable and insightful, whilst also adding a personal side to his comments. He strikes me as a similar coach to Borthwick, but one who has more of the communication and media side of things.

It’s interesting that a lot of the media coverage in the England squad is a combination of Steve and Kev - another reason why Borthwick has taken the figures he has. They round out all the roles needed (media etc.) and allow him to focus on the planning aspect, and doing media when necessary.

[chris111]

Is charisma needed?

Yes, people follow chrisma without even realising

Which is fine as long as the charismatic person is also competent!

Yes - history is littered with examples of dangers of following charismatics!

Charisma is also frequently mischaracterised as being overtly ‘showy’. There are quieter forms of charisma - in terms of leadership in sports, think Martin Johnson, Mike Brierley, Gareth Southgate, Sarins Wiegman. None known for ostentatious shoutiness - but outstanding leaders in their own way. Steve Borthwick is potentially going to be another example, and if Dan McKellar is cut from the same cloth, I’m very much looking forward to his arrival.

[Chobbsy]

Yes, people follow chrisma without even realising

Which is fine as long as the charismatic person is also competent!

Yes - history is littered with examples of dangers of following charismatics!

Charisma is also frequently mischaracterised as being overtly ‘showy’. There are quieter forms of charisma - in terms of leadership in sports, think Martin Johnson, Mike Brierley, Gareth Southgate, Sarins Wiegman. None known for ostentatious shoutiness - but outstanding leaders in their own way. Steve Borthwick is potentially going to be another example, and if Dan McKellar is cut from the same cloth, I’m very much looking forward to his arrival.

Every charismatic person I have ever personally known has never been showy, in fact far from it, but yes history is full of BAD charismatic people

[Smudge]

The coach that fits your description of charismatic for me is Rob Baxter. He has achieved much but has always been respectful to the opposition, straight talking to the press and media. Above all, he's a great, reserved personality who his teams and supporters would follow to the ends of the earth.

[Chobbsy]

The coach that fits your description of charismatic for me is Rob Baxter. He has achieved much but has always been respectful to the opposition, straight talking to the press and media. Above all, he's a great, reserved personality who his teams and supporters would follow to the ends of the earth.

Spot on

[Scott1]

The coach that fits your description of charismatic for me is Rob Baxter. He has achieved much but has always been respectful to the opposition, straight talking to the press and media. Above all, he's a great, reserved personality who his teams and supporters would follow to the ends of the earth.

Not sure,seems two faced to me. Great in front of the media but was then caught on officials mic I believe showing a totally different side to him

[Tiglon]

In my very humble opinion, Baxter is the perfect example of being a good leader without charisma, as is Borthwick.

[Tigers86asw]

I suppose down to definitions. I think we would agree that authority is very important and Borthwick and Baxter both have that- is that a form of charisma? Splitting hairs now but I would think so.

[Tiglon]

Charisma and authority have very different meanings. Charisma can help give authority, but it is not the same thing.

[parvacat]

Happy Charismas to all...