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Re: England squad

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Smudge wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2023 11:14 pm Scott1 wrote:
Whatever way you go about I'm sorry but we are on to a loser! It's a fact that casual fans drive our game. There are countless fans who will go to a 6N game and not go to another game all season and I bet there's a huge amount who will probably not even watch another game let alone go to one! Not to mention the TV audience. The crossover just isn't there and never has been sadly.
I totally agree Scotty. The lobbying needs to start and increase until something is done and the Club game becomes the dominant competition as it is in so many other sports. Not just on line opinions but actual letters to the RFU and just maybe, some supportive opinion in the press.
It'll change nothing. The RFU's objective is to fill HQ with 80000 people 7 or 8 times per year. That will never change, be it people wanting domestic change or a "global calendar". Even when England are rubbish they still rake in the money. Why would the RFU change anything? As far as they are concerned their house - their product - is fine, thank you very much.

The sooner the domestic game realises this, and fits the Premiership around it, the better. Have some blue sky thinking for the AIs and 6Ns periods. It's not rocket science; it just needs strong leadership (oh dear).
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Re: England squad

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Anybody want to speculate on a 23 or should we continue moaning about the system? :smt006
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Re: England squad

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No6_Flanker wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:54 pm Anybody want to speculate on a 23 or should we continue moaning about the system? :smt006
Genge
George
Sinckler
Chessum
Itoje
Lawes
Curry
Dombrandt
JVP
Farrell
OHC
Kelly
Manu
Malins
Steward
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Re: England squad

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Scott1 wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 6:56 am
No6_Flanker wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:54 pm Anybody want to speculate on a 23 or should we continue moaning about the system? :smt006
Genge
George
Sinckler
Chessum
Itoje
Lawes
Curry
Dombrandt
JVP
Farrell
OHC
Kelly
Manu
Malins
Steward
Er, there's a distinct lack of moaning there.
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I would swap Manu for Marchant and not convinces Malins is quick enough for a winger but no-one else in squad that is.
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Re: England squad

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Manu just not quick enough for 13 any longer was seriously burnt twice in the autumn tests. I think he will go.

Steward
Murley
Slade
Manu
OHC
Farrell
JVP
Genge
George
Cole
Itoje
Chessum
Isekwe
Earl
Dombrant
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Re: England squad

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Lawes won't be left out if fully fit,too good a player for me
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Re: England squad

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No6_Flanker wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:54 pm Anybody want to speculate on a 23 or should we continue moaning about the system? :smt006
Genge
George
Cole
Hill
Itoje
Lawes
Earl
Dombrandt
Youngs
Farrell
OHC
Kelly
Slade
Freeman
Steward

Rodd
McGuigan
Sinckler
Chessum
Ludlam
JVP
Daly
Malins

Given we could never tell who Steve would pick when he was here I guess we might see the same with England.
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Re: England squad

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wigworth wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:24 am
No6_Flanker wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:54 pm Anybody want to speculate on a 23 or should we continue moaning about the system? :smt006
Genge
George
Cole
Hill
Itoje
Lawes
Earl
Dombrandt
Youngs
Farrell
OHC
Kelly
Slade
Freeman
Steward

Rodd
McGuigan
Sinckler
Chessum
Ludlam
JVP
Daly
Malins

Given we could never tell who Steve would pick when he was here I guess we might see the same with England.
Good point!
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No6_Flanker wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:54 pm Anybody want to speculate on a 23 or should we continue moaning about the system? :smt006
Freddie Steward
Max Malins
Elliot Daly
Dan Kelly
Ollie Hassell-Collins
Owen Farrell (C)
Jack van Poortvliet
Alex Dombrandt
Ben Earl
Jack Willis
Courtney Lawes (vc)
Maro Itoje
Dan Cole
Jamie George
Ellis Genge (vc)

Replacements

George McGuigan
Bevan Rodd
Kyle Sinckler
Ollie Chessum
Ben Curry
Ben Youngs
Marcus Smith
Manu Tuilagi
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RunTigerRun wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:52 am
No6_Flanker wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:54 pm Anybody want to speculate on a 23 or should we continue moaning about the system? :smt006
Freddie Steward
Max Malins
Elliot Daly
Dan Kelly
Ollie Hassell-Collins
Owen Farrell (C)
Jack van Poortvliet
Alex Dombrandt
Ben Earl
Jack Willis
Courtney Lawes (vc)
Maro Itoje
Dan Cole
Jamie George
Ellis Genge (vc)

Replacements

George McGuigan
Bevan Rodd
Kyle Sinckler
Ollie Chessum
Ben Curry
Ben Youngs
Marcus Smith
Manu Tuilagi
I think he’ll play Tuilagi and have Daly on the bench and have more of a line out option at 6 (eg Chessum) but this is roughly what I would expect to see
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DeadlyDunc wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 2:49 pm
RunTigerRun wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:52 am
No6_Flanker wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:54 pm Anybody want to speculate on a 23 or should we continue moaning about the system? :smt006
Freddie Steward
Max Malins
Elliot Daly
Dan Kelly
Ollie Hassell-Collins
Owen Farrell (C)
Jack van Poortvliet
Alex Dombrandt
Ben Earl
Jack Willis
Courtney Lawes (vc)
Maro Itoje
Dan Cole
Jamie George
Ellis Genge (vc)

Replacements

George McGuigan
Bevan Rodd
Kyle Sinckler
Ollie Chessum
Ben Curry
Ben Youngs
Marcus Smith
Manu Tuilagi
I think he’ll play Tuilagi and have Daly on the bench and have more of a line out option at 6 (eg Chessum) but this is roughly what I would expect to see
I toyed with Manu starting, I think Steve will start Manu but I’d love to see Daly at 13, just adds a bit more pace to the backs.
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Personally I’d pick Kelly/Daly in the midfield. Daly has been quality the last couple of seasons and is massively underrated for someone with so many test and Lion caps.

But I’ve no doubt desperate to start with a win we’ll see Manu/Slade.

Genge George Cole
Itoje Hill
Lawes Dombrandt Earl
JVP Farrell
Manu Slade
OHC Steward Freeman

Walker Mako Sinckler Chessum Willis Youngs Smith Daly
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Re: England squad

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Dalys defence is dreadful at international level, no thanks!
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Don’t get the obsession with Daly.
Doesn’t tackle which means he is a liability in the centres and many tests (mainly wing/FB) are enough to show he has had enough opportunity to tackle like a test player. Makes a Varndell look like Courtney Laws.

Like a prop who can’t scrum. There again we keep picking one of those too.
For all the flash stuff you need to do the fundamentals or you are a liability in a tight game.
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