I get the youthful bit but there’s was easily enough experience in that 15! Ok some are young but we are talking international players here. There always seems to be somethingtigerburnie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:58 am A very youthful Tigers pushed an extremely experienced side and lost by a point, our players will learn so much from nights like that, we are moving in the right direction, using our squad well.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
The TMO is sat in the truck with headphones on which are linked to the officials…..within the truck the directors voice and the commentary is in the background. The TMO is not being directly fed from the commentary but can pick up the other sounds in the background second hand…..once a review has been initiated the only sounds within the truck are the conversations between the officials. This was clarified yesterday when I asked the questions.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
You can definitely argue that, but that decision may well help us get over the line in more important games going forward, so I wouldn't call it a mistake yet.sapajo wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:27 amOne could argue the decision to rest Heyes and take off Cole early ultimately cost us the matchTigerFeetSteve wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:17 am For people worried about our scrum at the end there.
Loosehead
Whitcombe had done 75 min before really struggling at the end
Cronin our best Loosehead injured
West, just joined, he will join Whitcombe & Cronin as our primary Looseheads
Leatigaga wasn't there last night may be be as they are prepping him to focus on TH
Van Wyk, for all his detractors I think he is still a better prop than Richardson (who's developing)
Richardson not a bad prop and was just about holding up in most of the scrums, unlucky to get the yellow when all the other scrum pens had been the other side
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Cole off for Hurd. Ok we weren't going forward and were under pressure against an international pack, but no scrum pens with him on the field
Heyes rested for a game that wasn't must win as we want to give minutes to Hurd in preparation of losing 2 TH's
Hurd has shown he's a 3rd choice but is still developing and was up against an international prop so no shame in him struggling. Cole could have gone longer and would have if it was must win but we put him on to get minutes he needed.
Leatigaga has more experience than Hurd at TH but LH is his strength, he is still a very good 4th choice prop.
Richardson there seems to have been a bit more focus on him also propping TH this season so gives us some depth there
Hoyt - has had some PRC appearances but is still developing, Richardson has certainly had more TH appearances than him.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
I can’t find anything on here that talks about TMO live feed etc,anyone else?
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
We have been severely disrupted since winning the title and league last year, the loss of Borthwick and Sinfield along with Genge and Ford was bound to have an effect, add in Wiggs learning on the job, we are coming along nicely, patience both on the park and on the terraces is required. We are still in the hunt, nothing lost yet.Scott1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:02 pmI get the youthful bit but there’s was easily enough experience in that 15! Ok some are young but we are talking international players here. There always seems to be somethingtigerburnie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:58 am A very youthful Tigers pushed an extremely experienced side and lost by a point, our players will learn so much from nights like that, we are moving in the right direction, using our squad well.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
I don’t believe we are coming along nicely at all,we have gone backwards at an alarming rate. 3 losses in the last 4,2 big ones and now the Clermont game just looks like it was a case of their pack being shocking like that game where we smashed Stade Francais at home. Very poor loss last night,and avoidable. Home fortress is a distant memory these days sadly!tigerburnie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:29 pmWe have been severely disrupted since winning the title and league last year, the loss of Borthwick and Sinfield along with Genge and Ford was bound to have an effect, add in Wiggs learning on the job, we are coming along nicely, patience both on the park and on the terraces is required. We are still in the hunt, nothing lost yet.Scott1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:02 pmI get the youthful bit but there’s was easily enough experience in that 15! Ok some are young but we are talking international players here. There always seems to be somethingtigerburnie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 10:58 am A very youthful Tigers pushed an extremely experienced side and lost by a point, our players will learn so much from nights like that, we are moving in the right direction, using our squad well.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
Might be worth while someone who does Tw#tter to ask Nigel?Scott1 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:26 pm I can’t find anything on here that talks about TMO live feed etc,anyone else?
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Any TMO who is swayed by a commentator shouldn't be doing the job anyway...I still think them being in a truck limits what they see, everyone knows you get a better impression of the game when watching it in the ground.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
In my former employ I was an accident investigator. We were taught to look for patterns.Tigerbeat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:09 pm The TMO is sat in the truck with headphones on which are linked to the officials…..within the truck the directors voice and the commentary is in the background. The TMO is not being directly fed from the commentary but can pick up the other sounds in the background second hand…..once a review has been initiated the only sounds within the truck are the conversations between the officials. This was clarified yesterday when I asked the questions.
If the review is instigated prior to a certain ex Tiger scrum half opening the "Mersey Tunnel" then things may run without bias.
However
The pattern seems to be:- Healey
"I think they should look at that.......I really think someone should look at that........why are they not looking at that........it's at least a yellow......"
Then TMO.
"I'd like to draw your attention to the actions of....."
The TMO needs to be totally isolated from commentary and punditry.
I would also add that if BT sport could provide a similar service for me I would be eternally grateful.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
Having watched the game at the ground last night and then watched the highlights on BT sport today I still cannot for the life of me see how sir could possibly say that was a try at the end of the match
Think he just wanted the game over so that he could go home.
Think he just wanted the game over so that he could go home.
I think you enjoy the game more if you don't know the rules. Anyway, you're on the same wavelength as the referees.
Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
But sure it begs the question why are so many things HAVING to be brought to the attention of the TMO why is so much being missed?Big Dai wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 1:12 pmIn my former employ I was an accident investigator. We were taught to look for patterns.Tigerbeat wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:09 pm The TMO is sat in the truck with headphones on which are linked to the officials…..within the truck the directors voice and the commentary is in the background. The TMO is not being directly fed from the commentary but can pick up the other sounds in the background second hand…..once a review has been initiated the only sounds within the truck are the conversations between the officials. This was clarified yesterday when I asked the questions.
If the review is instigated prior to a certain ex Tiger scrum half opening the "Mersey Tunnel" then things may run without bias.
However
The pattern seems to be:- Healey
"I think they should look at that.......I really think someone should look at that........why are they not looking at that........it's at least a yellow......"
Then TMO.
"I'd like to draw your attention to the actions of....."
The TMO needs to be totally isolated from commentary and punditry.
I would also add that if BT sport could provide a similar service for me I would be eternally grateful.
Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
Precisely, no blaming anyone involved last night at all! For what it's worth I firmly believe that some blame for the poor season thus far should rest at the feet of Borthwick and Sinfield for not moving our game forward in pre-season giving us more attacking options in particular.tigerburnie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:29 pm We have been severely disrupted since winning the title and league last year, the loss of Borthwick and Sinfield along with Genge and Ford was bound to have an effect, add in Wiggs learning on the job, we are coming along nicely, patience both on the park and on the terraces is required. We are still in the hunt, nothing lost yet.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
At least we actually showed some decent patterns with ball in hand last night, which is more than we've shown so far this season.fentiger wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:35 pmPrecisely, no blaming anyone involved last night at all! For what it's worth I firmly believe that some blame for the poor season thus far should rest at the feet of Borthwick and Sinfield for not moving our game forward in pre-season giving us more attacking options in particular.tigerburnie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:29 pm We have been severely disrupted since winning the title and league last year, the loss of Borthwick and Sinfield along with Genge and Ford was bound to have an effect, add in Wiggs learning on the job, we are coming along nicely, patience both on the park and on the terraces is required. We are still in the hunt, nothing lost yet.
Our maul looks massively short of power. Genge will be a massive reason for that but also no Wiese won't help.
Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
I would venture that Martin is a bit useful in the maul toolonglivethecrumbie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:18 pmAt least we actually showed some decent patterns with ball in hand last night, which is more than we've shown so far this season.fentiger wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:35 pmPrecisely, no blaming anyone involved last night at all! For what it's worth I firmly believe that some blame for the poor season thus far should rest at the feet of Borthwick and Sinfield for not moving our game forward in pre-season giving us more attacking options in particular.tigerburnie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 12:29 pm We have been severely disrupted since winning the title and league last year, the loss of Borthwick and Sinfield along with Genge and Ford was bound to have an effect, add in Wiggs learning on the job, we are coming along nicely, patience both on the park and on the terraces is required. We are still in the hunt, nothing lost yet.
Our maul looks massively short of power. Genge will be a massive reason for that but also no Wiese won't help.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
Yes, would tend to agree with thatfentiger wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:24 pmI would venture that Martin is a bit useful in the maul toolonglivethecrumbie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 4:18 pmAt least we actually showed some decent patterns with ball in hand last night, which is more than we've shown so far this season.fentiger wrote: ↑Sat Jan 21, 2023 3:35 pm
Precisely, no blaming anyone involved last night at all! For what it's worth I firmly believe that some blame for the poor season thus far should rest at the feet of Borthwick and Sinfield for not moving our game forward in pre-season giving us more attacking options in particular.
Our maul looks massively short of power. Genge will be a massive reason for that but also no Wiese won't help.
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Re: Tigers v Ospreys (H) - Friday 20th January 2023 - KO 20:00
There are bits of our forward play that are certainly better when Green plays, but you lose something around the field.
To win is not as important as playing with style!