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Re: Next England Head Coach (Pre &/or Post World Cup)

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I understand that I'm very much in the minority here but I think Gatland in the short term would be decent.

In my opinion, Shaun Edwards is the man. The RFU need to go all out and buy him out of his contract with France. Weaken them, strengthen us. Won't happen though, they'll go for a freebie I'd imagine.
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Lots of rumours doing the rounds: Gatland to take over with Borthwick “helping out”, whatever that means.
I honestly don’t think Borthwick is ready yet and think he himself wouldn’t want to risk his growing reputation by taking on England until after the World Cup.
If he does go then maybe Wigglesworth is the one to take over with as many of the current coaches staying!
What is worrying is it doesn’t help Tigers in preparing for Bristol and the rest of the season.
Lastly, the style that won Tigers the Premiership won’t be good enough at international level.
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Now also being rumoured Conor O'Shea is in the running to be the interim coach, with how many names are being thrown around it does make me think Eddie may actually be going
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kpj tiger wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:45 am Now also being rumoured Conor O'Shea is in the running to be the interim coach, with how many names are being thrown around it does make me think Eddie may actually be going
O’Shea already employed by the RFU so would make sense.
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kpj tiger wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:45 am Now also being rumoured Conor O'Shea is in the running to be the interim coach, with how many names are being thrown around it does make me think Eddie may actually be going
I really do get the feeling that this is the end for EJ. No basis in fact or even rumour but I can see an announcement over the weekend or Monday morning. As I mentioned in my earlier post, I stll think that it will be an interim appointment until the end of the world cup with, unfortunately, Borthwick joining the back room staff at the end of the season then taking over at the end of the tournament. I cannot see the Tigers agreeing to SB having any involvement before that as it is bad enough losing players during the 6 nations so to lose the coach for that period as well would be a disaster.
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There’s no smoke without fire so agree it would appear Jones days are numbered. Not as convinced about Borthwicks progression as others but we’ll see.
If it is interim O’Shea would make sense, backed up by maybe Baxter, who has taken a step backwards at Exeter, or even get Diamond involved
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Tell you what, if this is the end for EJ, he'll be fuming...

He is so focused on the world cup he'll be raging that he's not getting a chance at it with England.

If England do scrap him off I wonder if he'd consider the Wales job.

I know he may see it as a long shot, but I think his obsession with winning the world cup would make him take up any post that gave him a shot at winning it...
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TigerFeetSteve wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:25 am Tell you what, if this is the end for EJ, he'll be fuming...

He is so focused on the world cup he'll be raging that he's not getting a chance at it with England.

If England do scrap him off I wonder if he'd consider the Wales job.

I know he may see it as a long shot, but I think his obsession with winning the world cup would make him take up any post that gave him a shot at winning it...
He’s got the right surname for sure. Jones the Coach.
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Cockers has a track record of doing great things with teams short term.....

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ads wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:37 am Cockers has a track record of doing great things with teams short term.....

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He’s already there and arguably made things worse
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Rugbygramps wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:40 am
ads wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:37 am Cockers has a track record of doing great things with teams short term.....

:smt002 :smt005
He’s already there and arguably made things worse
I thought that Proudfoot was the forwards coach, Cockerill the scrum coach.
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Tigerbeat wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:41 am
Rugbygramps wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:40 am
ads wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:37 am Cockers has a track record of doing great things with teams short term.....

:smt002 :smt005
He’s already there and arguably made things worse
I thought that Proudfoot was the forwards coach, Cockerill the scrum coach.
And the scrum is going really well !!
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Rugbygramps wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:46 am
Tigerbeat wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:41 am
Rugbygramps wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:40 am

He’s already there and arguably made things worse
I thought that Proudfoot was the forwards coach, Cockerill the scrum coach.
And the scrum is going really well !!
The Coaches under Jones, or whoever may be in the lead role, can only work with the players they are given. So if the scrum coach is not getting the quality of players they need to get the results, it's not really their fault. The pack that is selected may not be the one needed to get results.
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WirralExile wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:03 am
Rugbygramps wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:46 am
Tigerbeat wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:41 am

I thought that Proudfoot was the forwards coach, Cockerill the scrum coach.
And the scrum is going really well !!
The Coaches under Jones, or whoever may be in the lead role, can only work with the players they are given. So if the scrum coach is not getting the quality of players they need to get the results, it's not really their fault. The pack that is selected may not be the one needed to get results.

Surely at Test level the players have already reached higher levels of technical ability and fitness and any training should be around specific tactics for that opposition, and a coach should be able to say if a player isn’t good enough.
The one thing that has become clear over the last few days, listening to a number of pundits, is that Jones coaches through fear which would explain some of his mistakes with players and coaches. He only wants people who do what he says and wants.
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I'd like to know exactly how many different coaches EJ has had since he took over!
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