Next England Head Coach (Pre World Cup)

[westwinds31]

I'm surprised how angry this whole fiasco has made me given my general apathy for England rugby since the last WC final, why keep backing Eddie until this close to a WC and then sack him? Its just so spineless. Say what you like about Eddie but he's statistically the best coach England have had and is a WC specialist. Personally I think if the Journo's hadn't turned on Eddie he'd have kept his job which says everything about the RFU.

Also how if Jones is going are the whole of the RFU's upper leadership not following him, this wouldn't be allowed to happen in any world outside of sport.

You’ve hit the nail on the head kpj. Think what you like about Haskell, but his view on the Good, the Bad and the rugby is a good listen. We (media and fans) rarely consider the balanced view. It’s “sack him” “he’s rubbish” etc there has to be consequences every time, it’s ridiculous. There even people on here saying “I was right….I told you” - it’s madness ! You’re right he’s got a good record has Eddie, but it’s all about the now and “off with his head”. All the squad get another go at it for the 6 Nations. I mean, Jones hasn’t told the players to give stupid penalties away, or not compete at the scrum. That’s a player thing, not a coaching thing. As Haskell says, he’s not in the camp but he’s been not long retired to speak to current players who all sing Jones’ praises, not to keep their place in the squad, but privately he’s heard nothing but good things. Something isn’t right, but to get rid of someone with a record at tournaments like Eddie seems a bit previous. Hill, Mako, Billy V, Genge etc are all still in a job and have a chance to right the wrongs.

[Scott1]

The ridiculously high turnover of staff should give everyone a clue about Jones! Plus why did the RFU think that a coach with a notoriously short shelf life was all of a sudden going to change? All the signs and evidence was there I'm afraid

[GB72]

If you feel that is necessary then fair enough seems a little OTT to me

True but it means that it can be put to one side and you and I can continue to talk about rugby otherwise I know what I am like and I would not let it go and that is not good for anyone or the forum to see us going back and forth.

Very true and the rugby debate was very enjoyable. I also do thank you for the clarification re correct compensation

Easy mistake to make. I do find that the football analogy helps. Whilst many do not like to think that we get caught up in the same things as our round ball cousins, what we have here is as much a transfer as and deal for a football player and so the actual deal is based on the respective values to each party rather than then amounts detailed in any contract. We value hving SB until the end of the season highly, we value having all 3 coaches very highly and so the RFU have to find a figure that matches the value that we place on having those coaches until the end of the season and on that basis, 7 figures does not sound unreasonable.

[westwinds31]

The ridiculously high turnover of staff should give everyone a clue about Jones! Plus why did the RFU think that a coach with a notoriously short shelf life was all of a sudden going to change? All the signs and evidence was there I'm afraid

Was that down to Jones or were some of them simply not good enough ? Borthwick worked well with Eddie, as did Wisemantel where we had a brilliant attack. They moved on. I think the current assistant coaches aren’t exactly earning their corn. I suspect we’ll have an average 6 Nations now…will folk be calling for Cockers to leave at that point ? The majority have got what they wanted…..now what happens ?

[Cagey Tiger]

The ridiculously high turnover of staff should give everyone a clue about Jones! Plus why did the RFU think that a coach with a notoriously short shelf life was all of a sudden going to change? All the signs and evidence was there I'm afraid

Was that down to Jones or were some of them simply not good enough ? Borthwick worked well with Eddie, as did Wisemantel where we had a brilliant attack. They moved on. I think the current assistant coaches aren’t exactly earning their corn. I suspect we’ll have an average 6 Nations now…will folk be calling for Cockers to leave at that point ? The majority have got what they wanted…..now what happens ?

Many on here dont want him to even start

[Rugbygramps]

Telegraph saying we won't allow Steve to take Sir Kev and Aled with him

Showing my lack of legal knowledge again but is that allowed, or are there different rules regarding assistant coaches to Head Coaches.

[wigworth]

Telegraph saying we won't allow Steve to take Sir Kev and Aled with him

Showing my lack of legal knowledge again but is that allowed, or are there different rules regarding assistant coaches to Head Coaches.

They most likely don't have the potential break clause in their contracts if England come calling.

[Scott1]

The ridiculously high turnover of staff should give everyone a clue about Jones! Plus why did the RFU think that a coach with a notoriously short shelf life was all of a sudden going to change? All the signs and evidence was there I'm afraid

Was that down to Jones or were some of them simply not good enough ? Borthwick worked well with Eddie, as did Wisemantel where we had a brilliant attack. They moved on. I think the current assistant coaches aren’t exactly earning their corn. I suspect we’ll have an average 6 Nations now…will folk be calling for Cockers to leave at that point ? The majority have got what they wanted…..now what happens ?

Common denominator?

[markharbtiger]

I also think there needs to be significant compensation coming to Tigers. Simply buying Borthwick out of his contract when we have to factor in the varied negative knock-ons for arguably several years, seems wholly insufficient. Again, yet another example of how the relationship between club and country needs a radical overhaul. I am still wondering why we've had our head coach poached and not Sarries or Exeter?

[Rugbygramps]

I also think there needs to be significant compensation coming to Tigers. Simply buying Borthwick out of his contract when we have to factor in the varied negative knock-ons for arguably several years, seems wholly insufficient. Again, yet another example of how the relationship between club and country needs a radical overhaul. I am still wondering why we've had our head coach poached and not Sarries or Exeter?

They obviously feel he is the best man for the job. The other 2 May also have ruled themselves out.

[TigerFeetSteve]

What we need to do is use the "time" from the interim announcement to find out how much our ideal candidate(s) cost and then make sure the RFU compensates us that much

[fentiger]

What we need to do is use the "time" from the interim announcement to find out how much our ideal candidate(s) cost and then make sure the RFU compensates us that much

I would expect Andrea to be on it

[LE18]

Do you not think that Borthwick was sent to us by RFU to learn to be a head coach, having achieved that he is resuming at RFU, slightly earlier than expected?

[markharbtiger]

I'm just incredulous that *ANYONE* would take on England 9 months from a World Cup. All very very disappointing as a Tigers supporter. I'd better say no more on this subject.

[sapajo]

What we need to do is use the "time" from the interim announcement to find out how much our ideal candidate(s) cost and then make sure the RFU compensates us that much

Spot on or at least ball park