Next England Head Coach (Pre World Cup)

[Scott1]

So Cockers for now then like I said it could be. (Well him or COS) I can’t see SB not being there for the 6N,it would be ridiculous to just throw him in for the RWC. My best guess would be Borths goes quite quickly and coaches the 6N with the current England setup leaving Sir Kev and Aled to complete our season and then they join up with him after. I think that’s the only way it works all round without anyone losing face

[Rugbygramps]

If it was me and thank god it isn’t I would look at it this way.

Tigers last regular league fixture is around May 6th meaning premiership final around May 20th, last possible day Borthwick could be required by Tigers.
Englands first warm up fixture is August 5th with first RWC fixture on September 9th.
The one huge advantage Borthwick has over a coach coming in from a different country is that he knows all the England players really well, either through coaching them or analysis of them as opponents. So even if he didn’t start training camps till early June he would have 2 months to work with them before any game then 4 warm ups to further look at options. Am I being naive thinking this is enough time.

The other option is that Cockers wins The Grand Slam and keeps the job.

[TTRITH]

Call me cynical, the only reason Cockers has been announced as interim is to ensure negotiations with Tigers don't get over balanced in our favour. Equally, I do wonder if Tigers will also point to the fact that England made us wait for Steve, why wouldn't we play the same game.

I don't think we'll see Steve in the dug out at Welford Road again. The others, I could see sticking around until post world cup, but it all depends on who we bring in.

[Soggypitch]

So Cockers for now then like I said it could be. (Well him or COS) I can’t see SB not being there for the 6N,it would be ridiculous to just throw him in for the RWC. My best guess would be Borths goes quite quickly and coaches the 6N with the current England setup leaving Sir Kev and Aled to complete our season and then they join up with him after. I think that’s the only way it works all round without anyone losing face

Agree with this Scott, the first 6Ns game is Feb 4th so I'm sure SB will be in place by mid Jan latest.

[fentiger]

The other option is that Cockers wins The Grand Slam and keeps the job.

here's hoping

[westwinds31]

How very "RFU" - Head coach gets the chop and the man responsible for the scrum getting battered and a general lacklustre forwards performance stays on !

[TiltonTiger]

Would be nice if there was an unequivocal statement from the club, one way or the other just so we know what’s happening. I won’t hold my breath though

[Scott1]

How very "RFU" - Head coach gets the chop and the man responsible for the scrum getting battered and a general lacklustre forwards performance stays on !

I know he bored in but that memory of Mako getting folded like a deckchair by Malherbe will live with me forever. He got completely annihilated,I’m struggling to think of that ever happening to an international LH.

[jgriffin]

How very "RFU" - Head coach gets the chop and the man responsible for the scrum getting battered and a general lacklustre forwards performance stays on !

You work with what you are handed. I think it is literally just a stabilising move re Cockers, nominal until SB or A.N.Other is installed in Jan 2023. What a mess.

[markharbtiger]

Well, I feel sure our CEO is working very hard right now to ensure the club isn't left denuded. But I have to say, if I was Borthwick, I'm not sure I'd want to take England into a World Cup with so little time left before it to do anything very much. The problem becomes acute if he takes over before the 6 nations and England performs poorly. It makes most sense to stick with Cockers until November 2023 for all sorts of reasons. Borthwick has always struck me as very careful and someone who plays the percentages. Post World Cup has to be the smart move if it can be arranged.

[sapajo]

How very "RFU" - Head coach gets the chop and the man responsible for the scrum getting battered and a general lacklustre forwards performance stays on !

I know he bored in but that memory of Mako getting folded like a deckchair by Malherbe will live with me forever. He got completely annihilated,I’m struggling to think of that ever happening to an international LH.

Mako is not an international prop. Also Gengey is not a brilliant scrummager he was schooled by Coley against Bristol.

[sapajo]

Would be nice if there was an unequivocal statement from the club, one way or the other just so we know what’s happening. I won’t hold my breath though

Agreed. So much for the so called Tigers family which is nothing more than a club construct

[ay2oh]

Well, I feel sure our CEO is working very hard right now to ensure the club isn't left denuded. But I have to say, if I was Borthwick, I'm not sure I'd want to take England into a World Cup with so little time left before it to do anything very much. The problem becomes acute if he takes over before the 6 nations and England performs poorly. It makes most sense to stick with Cockers until November 2023 for all sorts of reasons. Borthwick has always struck me as very careful and someone who plays the percentages. Post World Cup has to be the smart move if it can be arranged.

Post World Cup makes sense but can’t see it happening. RFU want England to have a chance of winning it so will want to give the new coach plenty of time to bed in.

[Scott1]

How very "RFU" - Head coach gets the chop and the man responsible for the scrum getting battered and a general lacklustre forwards performance stays on !

I know he bored in but that memory of Mako getting folded like a deckchair by Malherbe will live with me forever. He got completely annihilated,I’m struggling to think of that ever happening to an international LH.

Mako is not an international prop. Also Gengey is not a brilliant scrummager he was schooled by Coley against Bristol.

Cole always usually has Marler on toast too most of the time

[kpj tiger]

I'm surprised how angry this whole fiasco has made me given my general apathy for England rugby since the last WC final, why keep backing Eddie until this close to a WC and then sack him? Its just so spineless. Say what you like about Eddie but he's statistically the best coach England have had and is a WC specialist. Personally I think if the Journo's hadn't turned on Eddie he'd have kept his job which says everything about the RFU.

Also how if Jones is going are the whole of the RFU's upper leadership not following him, this wouldn't be allowed to happen in any world outside of sport.