Agreed.. from the little I have seen I’ve been impressedRugbygramps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:44 amPotential for me and a few others to be a real bolter. Considering he was on a building site in Wellington 3 months ago. He has put on 3 kg of muscle since arriving. Similar no nonsense straightforward player to Wiese, started against Quins away I believe and looked good for 50 minutes. Just hope a longer term contract is being consideredChobbsy wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:40 amI haven't seen Jansen play yet is he rated?Rugbygramps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:38 am
I take your point but imo it’s unlikely that SB will go outside his core group of 30 or so for all remaining fixtures. Hopefully Kelly and MVS are fit and Martin needs more game time. I would like to see Jansen given more time as well as if Wiese were to go lame he is very much like for like.
Steward
Ashton
Scott
Kelly
Potter
Burns
JVP
Genge
Dolly
Heyes
Chessum
Snyman
Martin
MVS
Jansen
Bench- Montoya, Whitcombe, Cole, Wells, Wiese, Youngs, Ford, Porter
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Need to put out the strongest team possible at every game. Start cranking up the tempo with a settled 23 aiming to peak at Twickers.
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Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
I think you are probably right. However IF he did, I think it would be only those two.Rugbygramps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:38 amI take your point but imo it’s unlikely that SB will go outside his core group of 30 or so for all remaining fixtures. Hopefully Kelly and MVS are fit and Martin needs more game time. I would like to see Jansen given more time as well as if Wiese were to go lame he is very much like for like.Hot_Charlie wrote: ↑Tue May 10, 2022 11:28 pm Given the week off this weekend, and the week off the weekend following this fixture, I think it'll be a fairly strong team to secure top spot. However, I could see a scenario where Ilione and Edwards are given Premiership debuts from the bench. That's a risk worth taking perhaps.
Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
I doubt SB cares a jot about going unbeaten at home - he will be entirely focused on his squad hitting the playoffs in optimum condition. There’s no trophy for beating Wasps!sam16111986 wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 8:29 pmWe don't rest players at home. Want the undefeated league season at home. Ideally Leinster will be the only blot on our home record this season.OakhamTiger32 wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 8:23 pm I think we need to target the win here and secure top spot.. would rather get that sorted and rest players the following week against Wasps knowing we have secured top spot.
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You’re absolutely right the one thing I would add is that SB places a great deal of importance on the fans and their support and he realises it is a big thing for the fans to remain unbeaten in the league at home. Also the following week is the semi final so we need to be up and running for that.chris111 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:59 pmI doubt SB cares a jot about going unbeaten at home - he will be entirely focused on his squad hitting the playoffs in optimum condition. There’s no trophy for beating Wasps!sam16111986 wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 8:29 pmWe don't rest players at home. Want the undefeated league season at home. Ideally Leinster will be the only blot on our home record this season.OakhamTiger32 wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 8:23 pm I think we need to target the win here and secure top spot.. would rather get that sorted and rest players the following week against Wasps knowing we have secured top spot.
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Plus, Wasps are the only team in a position to do the double on us this season, would be a shame to let that happen...Rugbygramps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:06 pmYou’re absolutely right the one thing I would add is that SB places a great deal of importance on the fans and their support and he realises it is a big thing for the fans to remain unbeaten in the league at home. Also the following week is the semi final so we need to be up and running for that.chris111 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:59 pmI doubt SB cares a jot about going unbeaten at home - he will be entirely focused on his squad hitting the playoffs in optimum condition. There’s no trophy for beating Wasps!sam16111986 wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 8:29 pm
We don't rest players at home. Want the undefeated league season at home. Ideally Leinster will be the only blot on our home record this season.
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Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
My team would be:
Steward
Ashton
Moroni
Scott
Nadolo
Burns
JVP
Whitcome
Dolly
Heyes
Chessum
Martin
Leibenberg
Jansen
Reffell
Reps:
Genge
Montoya
Cole
Wells
MVS
Youngs
Ford
Murimurivalu
I think that starting team is more the capable of at least holding Newcastle away .. and that bench should carry it home nicely
Weisse gets a well deserved rest .. Could consider Porter on the bench but Muri can play fullback which gives a bit more flexibility. If Kelly is fit then obviously he could be considered but hamstrings are tricky devils and I’d err on the side of caution on that one
Steward
Ashton
Moroni
Scott
Nadolo
Burns
JVP
Whitcome
Dolly
Heyes
Chessum
Martin
Leibenberg
Jansen
Reffell
Reps:
Genge
Montoya
Cole
Wells
MVS
Youngs
Ford
Murimurivalu
I think that starting team is more the capable of at least holding Newcastle away .. and that bench should carry it home nicely
Weisse gets a well deserved rest .. Could consider Porter on the bench but Muri can play fullback which gives a bit more flexibility. If Kelly is fit then obviously he could be considered but hamstrings are tricky devils and I’d err on the side of caution on that one
Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
I like that team and even if we don't see it v Newcastle I could see that pack appearing next season. Bench needs a switch as its missing a Tight head so I imagine Cole would replace Wells if MVS fitmightymouse wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 10:23 am My team would be:
Steward
Ashton
Moroni
Scott
Nadolo
Burns
JVP
Whitcome
Dolly
Heyes
Chessum
Martin
Leibenberg
Jansen
Reffell
Reps:
Genge
Montoya
Cole
Wells
MVS
Youngs
Ford
Murimurivalu
I think that starting team is more the capable of at least holding Newcastle away .. and that bench should carry it home nicely
Weisse gets a well deserved rest .. Could consider Porter on the bench but Muri can play fullback which gives a bit more flexibility. If Kelly is fit then obviously he could be considered but hamstrings are tricky devils and I’d err on the side of caution on that one
Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
TigerXV wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 10:30 amI like that team and even if we don't see it v Newcastle I could see that pack appearing next season.mightymouse wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 10:23 am My team would be:
Steward
Ashton
Moroni
Scott
Nadolo
Burns
JVP
Whitcome
Dolly
Heyes
Chessum
Martin
Leibenberg
Jansen
Reffell
Reps:
Genge
Montoya
Cole
Wells
MVS
Youngs
Ford
Murimurivalu
I think that starting team is more the capable of at least holding Newcastle away .. and that bench should carry it home nicely
Weisse gets a well deserved rest .. Could consider Porter on the bench but Muri can play fullback which gives a bit more flexibility. If Kelly is fit then obviously he could be considered but hamstrings are tricky devils and I’d err on the side of caution on that one
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Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
Sorry I realised I’d missed Cole and added him on edit before I thought anyone would notice but you were too quick off the mark
Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
As has been mentioned before, we have lost 3 out of the last 4 in all competitions losing to Hairyqueens, LI, and Leinster, and IMHO we just didn't look good against Leinster rather than them being superb. We need to get back into a winning mentality again so that we go into both the pests' game and the playoffs on the right foot. I think this is more important than "winning at home". We basically should be aiming to win every game for the rest of the season now. Nothing else is acceptable!
Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
Suspect full bore for both games - we have a week off now and then play Falcons before another week off - think momentum and match toughness will be key going into the play off semi at MWWR and the extra rest period helps....It will also depend on who is carrying knocks etc - suspect Montoya may be one of those as he limped off v Leinster.
Having said that, I don't think I have successfully predicted his team selection all season - so who knows???
Having said that, I don't think I have successfully predicted his team selection all season - so who knows???
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Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
Borthwick will be looking ahead to next season as well though. He'll know that an undefeated home season on the league starts to create a certain aura around Welford Road again. Plus he's rotated away and gone strong at home all season, he's clearly had in mind wanting to rewards the fans.Rugbygramps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:06 pmYou’re absolutely right the one thing I would add is that SB places a great deal of importance on the fans and their support and he realises it is a big thing for the fans to remain unbeaten in the league at home. Also the following week is the semi final so we need to be up and running for that.chris111 wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 8:59 pmI doubt SB cares a jot about going unbeaten at home - he will be entirely focused on his squad hitting the playoffs in optimum condition. There’s no trophy for beating Wasps!sam16111986 wrote: ↑Sat May 07, 2022 8:29 pm
We don't rest players at home. Want the undefeated league season at home. Ideally Leinster will be the only blot on our home record this season.
Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
I believe his first meeting with the players involved a speech about the history and importance of Welford Road - it's a big part of the culture he's building and a great focal point for the squad in terms of pride and identity.sam16111986 wrote: ↑Thu May 12, 2022 1:22 pmBorthwick will be looking ahead to next season as well though. He'll know that an undefeated home season on the league starts to create a certain aura around Welford Road again. Plus he's rotated away and gone strong at home all season, he's clearly had in mind wanting to rewards the fans.Rugbygramps wrote: ↑Wed May 11, 2022 9:06 pmYou’re absolutely right the one thing I would add is that SB places a great deal of importance on the fans and their support and he realises it is a big thing for the fans to remain unbeaten in the league at home. Also the following week is the semi final so we need to be up and running for that.
Re: Tigers v Newcastle (A) 21st May 2022 KO 15:00
I wasn’t suggesting SB is planning on throwing the Wasps game! I was simply pointing out that if we went into the final round with a guaranteed home play off, his overriding priority would be on squad preparation for the week ahead.
I’d like to think we have the strength in depth to beat Wasps without risking burnout/injury to key players….but as a supporter an unbeaten home record would merely be a nice gloss on the season, whereas getting to the playoff final (and even better, winning that final) would be the real achievement. I’d be pretty confident SB and the whole playing and coaching team feel the same.
I’d like to think we have the strength in depth to beat Wasps without risking burnout/injury to key players….but as a supporter an unbeaten home record would merely be a nice gloss on the season, whereas getting to the playoff final (and even better, winning that final) would be the real achievement. I’d be pretty confident SB and the whole playing and coaching team feel the same.