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Re: Ackerman leaving Gloucester?

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Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 1:09 pm
BFG wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 12:16 pm
Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 11:35 am

Perhaps George has told Danny he is the best thing since sliced bread & is a better player than Dan Carter, Phil Bennett & Barry John combined.

Note to Danny most of us think multiple England coaches might be more correct about you..
I think they'd be correct if they'd won a World Cup.
As it is they might as well of picked average Joe.
Yet England won the world cup with arguably a conservative FH & game plan..

Not many doubt the talent of Cipriani, it's the other parts, rugby is a team game after all.
Arguably won with a FH (Wilko) who was conservative when required.
Rob Andrew was a different player for Wasps than England.
No recent England coach can say they got it right as none have won a World Cup so in my opinion the debate on Cips will always be open.
Cips didn't really do a lot wrong for England in my opinion, were it my choice he would've been on the bench during the last World Cup, if you're going down then go down giving it a go.
As JTG puts though few teams have won with Cips, but then few teams have won much since Sarries!
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Sarries won with a combination of a limited FH & financial doping. Exeter hardly have Carlos Spencer at 10.
The All Blacks won 2 RWC's with a more conservative FH (although close to perfect one) & ended up playing with 2 FH's in Japan & still didn't win.
I think it's not Cips game that is the issue.
To win is not as important as playing with style!
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Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 4:30 pm Sarries won with a combination of a limited FH & financial doping. Exeter hardly have Carlos Spencer at 10.
The All Blacks won 2 RWC's with a more conservative FH (although close to perfect one) & ended up playing with 2 FH's in Japan & still didn't win.
I think it's not Cips game that is the issue.
Carter isn't really conservative. He was just versatile. He knew when to sit back and play territory and when to turn it on and play flat. Not only did he know when to do it he could do both brilliantly. Same with Wilko. Cips is great when the game needs him to play flat and attack but his tactical game is often wanted and be overplays his hand where Carter or Wilko would have taken the pragmatic approach.

Sarries are different. They are just all about pragmatism, they always play the percentages. Even when they make breaks on the outside they don't look for individual moments of skill they look where the defence is and then either kick in behind or take their metres. It's brilliant levels of organisation and crucial that their forwards remain on top hence the financial doping. Wasn't only a conservative flyhalf but conservative controlling 9s as well.
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Carter was just the perfect all-round flyhalf, nuff said.
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Re: Ackerman leaving Gloucester?

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I don't know why I'm poking this hornets nest again, but...

Saracens didn't get to the top through financial doping - they stayed at the top through financial doping.
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Tiglon wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:08 pm I don't know why I'm poking this hornets nest again, but...

Saracens didn't get to the top through financial doping - they stayed at the top through financial doping.
Lance Armstrong didn't always take performance enhancing drugs...

You are right though... but all that is tarnished.
To win is not as important as playing with style!
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Re: Ackerman leaving Gloucester?

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Gloucester - London Irish rumbles on ....
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/statemen ... kivington/

Regarding Cipriani , no doubting the talent - yet enough doubts remain.
Seemingly heading rapidly toward senility .....Not long or far to go now , in fact, getting worse daily.....
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Re: Ackerman leaving Gloucester?

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Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:19 pm
Lance Armstrong didn't always take performance enhancing drugs...

You are right though... but all that is tarnished.
No he didn't, but he wasn't the only one doing it at the time, it was rife in pro cycling.
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