Mark Bakewell - gone? - now confirmed

[sapajo]

Well I guess if you believe

"Borthwick, 40, is not expected to join until after the Six Nations, with Brett Deacon set to step up from his coaching role to temporarily replace Bakewell"

This means Deacon will be the forwards coach for months to come.

[Traveller]

"" Hello is that Pertemps? ""

"" Yes, how can I help you? ""

"" It's Geordan from Tigers, in a bit of a pickle, do you have a forwards coach available for a few weeks as temporary cover ""

Very good. Made me smile. This could run.

"I'm afraid we don't Mr Murphy. However we have an unqualified Classics Teacher and a former Pret a Manger Manager. Might either be of interest to you?"

"Are both available immediately, do they live locally, do they know the club?"

"I am afraid the Classics Teacher lives in Surrey and support Arsenal. However the former Pret a Manger Manager lives in Wigston, father played for Tigers Youth back in the 70's and he's passed the ground on the way to the store.

"You mean you the ex Pret a Manger Manager is available, lives locally and knows the club. It's synchronicity. The same thing happened with Phil Blake and look at his impact. And he's got the all important Tigers background. I wish I'd had a fiver on it like Phil probably did. Do you think there is much difference between coaching forwards and allergy free fresh sandwich makers ?"

"Not at all Mr Murphy. Not at all."

"Deal done. How much would you like to charge me?"

"Now let me see. How much can I charge you Mr Murphy?"

[RichieB]

At least it is movement and looks like the Borthwick appointment is only a matter of time. People on here moan when nothing happens then moan when something does happen.

[Mark62]

Why is everyone getting in a state when we don’t know what has happened yet.
People having been calling for changes, if rumours are to be believed something has happened.
Borthwick is on his way, so there is no way that another coach is going to come in for a maximum of 3 months keeping his seat warm. He could already be getting the involved using Deacon as his mouth piece.
Where does he it say that Borthwick can’t be Head coach with responsibility for forwards

[DingDong]

How is this positive news in anyones eyes beggars belief. Here we are facing a genuine relegation battle where stability at he club apparently matters so much we can't sack Murphy, and now we have an experienced coach leaving under a huge cloud. We then replace him in the interim with another ineffective and sub standard 'solution' to keep the ship afloat before Borthwick arrives post 6N which will be too late to have any significant effect.

The fact that Bakewell has left with immediate effect smells of a rot somewhere in the coaching/players relationship, why else would he leave 'with immediate effect'?

This isn't moaning, this is facing facts which so many forum members ignore all too often.

[sapajo]

Why is everyone getting in a state when we don’t know what has happened yet.
People having been calling for changes, if rumours are to be believed something has happened.
Borthwick is on his way, so there is no way that another coach is going to come in for a maximum of 3 months keeping his seat warm. He could already be getting the involved using Deacon as his mouth piece.
Where does he it say that Borthwick can’t be Head coach with responsibility for forwards

So sacking Bakewell with 3 mths to go and replace him with Deacon is good for our chances of avoiding relegation?

[Mark62]

How is this positive news in anyones eyes beggars belief. Here we are facing a genuine relegation battle where stability at he club apparently matters so much we can't sack Murphy, and now we have an experienced coach leaving under a huge cloud. We then replace him in the interim with another ineffective and sub standard 'solution' to keep the ship afloat before Borthwick arrives post 6N which will be too late to have any significant effect.

The fact that Bakewell has left with immediate effect smells of a rot somewhere in the coaching/players relationship, why else would he leave 'with immediate effect'?

This isn't moaning, this is facing facts which so many forum members ignore all too often.

Have you considered that he could be part of the problem, could this be an indication that Borthwick is on his way sooner.
Who says it’s a huge cloud, your words, not a ball has been kicked and he is already sub standard and ineffective

[Flash]

Why is everyone getting in a state when we don’t know what has happened yet.
People having been calling for changes, if rumours are to be believed something has happened.
Borthwick is on his way, so there is no way that another coach is going to come in for a maximum of 3 months keeping his seat warm. He could already be getting the involved using Deacon as his mouth piece.
Where does he it say that Borthwick can’t be Head coach with responsibility for forwards

So sacking Bakewell with 3 mths to go and replace him with Deacon is good for our chances of avoiding relegation?

Not good but probably doesn't make them any worse.

[Mark62]

Why is everyone getting in a state when we don’t know what has happened yet.
People having been calling for changes, if rumours are to be believed something has happened.
Borthwick is on his way, so there is no way that another coach is going to come in for a maximum of 3 months keeping his seat warm. He could already be getting the involved using Deacon as his mouth piece.
Where does he it say that Borthwick can’t be Head coach with responsibility for forwards

So sacking Bakewell with 3 mths to go and replace him with Deacon is good for our chances of avoiding relegation?

Where have I said that. Do you know the whole story, because I don’t would you care to share your insider knowledge

[speedski]

Why is everyone getting in a state when we don’t know what has happened yet.
People having been calling for changes, if rumours are to be believed something has happened.
Borthwick is on his way, so there is no way that another coach is going to come in for a maximum of 3 months keeping his seat warm. He could already be getting the involved using Deacon as his mouth piece.
Where does he it say that Borthwick can’t be Head coach with responsibility for forwards

So sacking Bakewell with 3 mths to go and replace him with Deacon is good for our chances of avoiding relegation?

Where does it say sacked? It says leaving.

He may have chosen to leave now as another opportunity came up elsewhere....

[MCC1964]

How is this positive news in anyones eyes beggars belief. Here we are facing a genuine relegation battle where stability at he club apparently matters so much we can't sack Murphy, and now we have an experienced coach leaving under a huge cloud. We then replace him in the interim with another ineffective and sub standard 'solution' to keep the ship afloat before Borthwick arrives post 6N which will be too late to have any significant effect.

The fact that Bakewell has left with immediate effect smells of a rot somewhere in the coaching/players relationship, why else would he leave 'with immediate effect'?

This isn't moaning, this is facing facts which so many forum members ignore all too often.

And there lies the problem. There are no facts as it stands at the moment. All speculation and ineuendo. Whitty and Egerton both say ‘understand’, the BBC then report that as fact. Nothing has been confirmed. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he has been sacked or whether he asked to leave for personal reasons (a la Meyer) and the club are protecting him.

[Mark62]

Posters on here, Woe is my what is happening to my club, we’re going to get relegated, why aren’t the club doing something.

Breaking rumour something has happened. OMG what’s happened why has this happened, this is all wrong sack everyone

[longlivethecrumbie]

I'm sure we'll find that if we look hard enough we'll find some of those who have vented their dismay at his dismissal were also wanting him sacked not long ago!

[JP14]

Bakewell had an immediate impact when joining the club which has been been explained as a “dead cat’s bounce”, I have the impression his methods were good but sort of like Eddie Jones the effects were always going to be temporary.

Under his tutelage, the lineout has been very inconsistent, and our driving maul has more or less never functioned particularly well.

Unless anything is confirmed by the club or Bakewell himself we won’t know the circumstances behind his departure therefore we can only speculate. I for one believe that if Borthwick is not here in the next few weeks and won’t be arriving till after March then this is just of Bakewell’s own doing and has felt that there is nothing for him with a forwards specialist as a head coach.

[MurphysLaw]

[quote=MCC1964 post_id=730040 time=1575991844 user_id=11040]
And there lies the problem. There are no facts as it stands at the moment. All speculation and ineuendo. Whitty and Everton both say ‘understand’, the BBC then report that as fact. Nothing has been confirmed. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that he has been sacked or whether he asked to leave for personal reasons (a la Meyer) and the club are protecting him.
[/quote]

Quite right!
Murphy refusing to comment, and nothing from the Club to confirm or deny , so all we are left with is rumour.
Who is supposed to be running this club?