For reference, the down by contact rule in American Football stipulates that to be tackled the player must be touched by a defender while they are down, so in the tap tackle scenario they can get up and run unless a defender gets to them.
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Re: Sir Barnes
No, not that one!
Remember, whatever you do to the smallest of the backs you do to his prop, and you can't avoid the rucks and mauls forever...
I know you don't like it when I boo him but how else will he know he's wrong?
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Remember, whatever you do to the smallest of the backs you do to his prop, and you can't avoid the rucks and mauls forever...
I know you don't like it when I boo him but how else will he know he's wrong?
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Re: Sir Barnes
I don't put refs/Sirs down.
They have a difficult job - we don't know what directives they have to work under and how that's interporated.
Like most things in life standards have been watered down.
Barnes is the best of a bad bunch. Owens was the best of a bad bunch. But we don't have a game without one.
New directives will be issued for next season - Tigers will learn very quickly by losing players yet again for three match ban.
We are the example.
They have a difficult job - we don't know what directives they have to work under and how that's interporated.
Like most things in life standards have been watered down.
Barnes is the best of a bad bunch. Owens was the best of a bad bunch. But we don't have a game without one.
New directives will be issued for next season - Tigers will learn very quickly by losing players yet again for three match ban.
We are the example.
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I think most of us have come to regard Barnes highly - he has developed into a very good ref.
Even he was subject to scrutiny by the Welford Road faithful in his early days
Most refs do a decent job under pressure.
Wayne Barnes strength was to seek the view of the 4th official but ultimately make the decision himself when there was a screen available. He then communicates it clearly to the players as to why he has made that decision.
One or two are clueless and indecisive, defer too much to the 4th official - such as CM-K in the bath game who let the 4th official decide in spite of seeing the footage on the big screen. This comes over as weak to the players. To be frank the 4th official in the last game that got Geordie into trouble - made decisions on what he thought happened rather than what he could actually see. I doubt Barnes would have disallowed the try for foot in touch (which the cameras did not show with certainty) nor would he have let the 4th official make the final call on their prop crawling with the ball.
Even he was subject to scrutiny by the Welford Road faithful in his early days
Most refs do a decent job under pressure.
Wayne Barnes strength was to seek the view of the 4th official but ultimately make the decision himself when there was a screen available. He then communicates it clearly to the players as to why he has made that decision.
One or two are clueless and indecisive, defer too much to the 4th official - such as CM-K in the bath game who let the 4th official decide in spite of seeing the footage on the big screen. This comes over as weak to the players. To be frank the 4th official in the last game that got Geordie into trouble - made decisions on what he thought happened rather than what he could actually see. I doubt Barnes would have disallowed the try for foot in touch (which the cameras did not show with certainty) nor would he have let the 4th official make the final call on their prop crawling with the ball.
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I think when you refer the the 4th official, you mean the TMO.mol2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:21 am I think most of us have come to regard Barnes highly - he has developed into a very good ref.
Even he was subject to scrutiny by the Welford Road faithful in his early days
Most refs do a decent job under pressure.
Wayne Barnes strength was to seek the view of the 4th official but ultimately make the decision himself when there was a screen available. He then communicates it clearly to the players as to why he has made that decision.
One or two are clueless and indecisive, defer too much to the 4th official - such as CM-K in the bath game who let the 4th official decide in spite of seeing the footage on the big screen. This comes over as weak to the players. To be frank the 4th official in the last game that got Geordie into trouble - made decisions on what he thought happened rather than what he could actually see. I doubt Barnes would have disallowed the try for foot in touch (which the cameras did not show with certainty) nor would he have let the 4th official make the final call on their prop crawling with the ball.
However, I don’t think any of the officials knew what they were doing against Bath.
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Sorry TMO or whatever they call him.
When there are big screens the 4th official should bring video "evidence" to the attention of the ref, discuss it as required, but the ref should be the one making the decision. C M-K didn't even seem to look at the screen. Would refs like Barnes or Owens not look at the video and decide for himself? Not a chance.
When there are big screens the 4th official should bring video "evidence" to the attention of the ref, discuss it as required, but the ref should be the one making the decision. C M-K didn't even seem to look at the screen. Would refs like Barnes or Owens not look at the video and decide for himself? Not a chance.
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4th Official is the guy who stands by the benches and allows players to be substituted, which is a farce in itself and needs cleaning up.mol2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:17 pm Sorry TMO or whatever they call him.
When there are big screens the 4th official should bring video "evidence" to the attention of the ref, discuss it as required, but the ref should be the one making the decision. C M-K didn't even seem to look at the screen. Would refs like Barnes or Owens not look at the video and decide for himself? Not a chance.
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The 4th Official controls the substitutions, HiA timings, Sin bin timings and manages the dugouts as to when they can go on the field of play with drinks. They are also the reserve referee andJP14 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:52 pm4th Official is the guy who stands by the benches and allows players to be substituted, which is a farce in itself and needs cleaning up.mol2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:17 pm Sorry TMO or whatever they call him.
When there are big screens the 4th official should bring video "evidence" to the attention of the ref, discuss it as required, but the ref should be the one making the decision. C M-K didn't even seem to look at the screen. Would refs like Barnes or Owens not look at the video and decide for himself? Not a chance.
also take any feedback from the coaches at half time and relays it back to the referee.
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I graciously accept your point Teds but I was responding to a post that compared the Nowell injury to Clarke’s assault on Hawkinsteds wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:56 pmMark, we all have varying degrees of “credibility” but we must all remember to disagree politely.
I know it’s very difficult. Some of your own posts are great and some are - shall we say- not so great, at least in my own humble - sometimes more credible than other times - opinion.
The forum is richer for having all of us folk with different views pitching in, even if some opinions are more challenging than others.
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Mark you being are a drama toward me IMO as I clearly stated that the Nowelll incident "REMINDED ME A LITTLE" and that's not a comparison.
Maybe there is a secret attraction...
You remind me a little of the time that I had a few too many and accidentally fell over a wall and landed on my head, as that left me dazed and could've been tragic, but the two situations are very different!
Maybe there is a secret attraction...
You remind me a little of the time that I had a few too many and accidentally fell over a wall and landed on my head, as that left me dazed and could've been tragic, but the two situations are very different!
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Not the role necessarily, the process, it takes too long in my view.
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Why is it farcical? The Teams have to submit a card to the 4th Official stating what type of replacement is being requested, HIA, Blood, Tactical or Injury. It has to be controlled and there arte time limitations for Blood and HIA which need to be monitorred.
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I know they all need to be monitored just reckon it could be a smoother process.Tigerbeat wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:48 pmWhy is it farcical? The Teams have to submit a card to the 4th Official stating what type of replacement is being requested, HIA, Blood, Tactical or Injury. It has to be controlled and there arte time limitations for Blood and HIA which need to be monitorred.
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