Insurance or hypocrisy:Lancaster & Armitages

[jgriffin]

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When needs must, principles be damned? Ignoring Steffon was criminal anyway.

[tig1]

I think if you are overlooked at open side in favour of James Haskell, Fourie, and a half fit Moody, and then not named in a 45 man training squad for the 2011world cup, then a move to Toulon would be quite appealing, and understandable.

I don't doubt for a moment that had he remained in England and played this well, Lancaster would have involved him. So no reason Lancaster wouldn't check that he his committed to playing should the need arise with a World Cup around the corner, since clearly he wasn't committed to playing when he chose to leave, disillusioned, in 2011.

[Bill W (2)]

Hypocrisy!

[tig1]

Go on then Bill, as we like a good debate, i'll bite

Please to explain why Lancaster speaking to Armitage is any sort of issue.

[Bill W (2)]

Go on then Bill, as we like a good debate, i'll bite

Please to explain why Lancaster speaking to Armitage is any sort of issue.

1. PRL have an agreement (in exchange for £) with RFU to release players;

2. Other Unions do not have such an agreement;

3. RFU have asserted that they will not play players who are members of overseas clubs;

4. Armitahe (and Lancaster) knew these things when Armitage went to France. Just as Flood does;

5. Hence hypocrisy!

[tig1]

For what Bill ? speaking to him ? come now be fair

If he were to actually select him, and the circumstances were non exceptional, then you my have a case. But lets cross that debate if or when it ever happens.

[Bill W (2)]

For what Bill ? speaking to him ? come now be fair

If he were to actually select him, and the circumstances were non exceptional, then you my have a case. But lets cross that debate if or when it ever happens.

I do not have a problem with him. Only with him putting this fact in the public domain!

[tig1]

Whats quite interesting Bill, is that nobody has actually defined (as far as i am aware) what 'exceptional circumstances' means.

Its been broadly interpreted as needing a norovirus taking down the five players in front of you to get the call !

But....i suspect that if they suddenly decide that the best English number 7 is playing in France, and he actually left England when they didn't want him, then that term might be somewhat flexible

[Bill W (2)]

Whats quite interesting Bill, is that nobody has actually defined (as far as i am aware) what 'exceptional circumstances' means.

Its been broadly interpreted as needing a norovirus taking down the five players in front of you to get the call !

But....i suspect that if they suddenly decide that the best English number 7 is playing in France, and he actually left England when they didn't want him, then that term might be somewhat flexible

Ah! Discretionary integrity! Aja hypocrisy!

[tig1]

I am pretty sure he signed his contract for Toulon in late winter or early spring 2011. The rule didn't come in until Lancasters appointment for the 2012 six nations.

So could easily be defined or argued as exceptional circumstances ? should such a rule really be retrospective ?

a story to watch me thinks....

[Bill W (2)]

I am pretty sure he signed his contract for Toulon in late winter or early spring 2011. The rule didn't come in until Lancasters appointment for the 2012 six nations.

So could easily be defined or argued as exceptional circumstances ? should such a rule really be retrospective ?

a story to watch me thinks....

Absolutely! Discretionary integrety rules!!

[tig1]

Actually Bill. I am not sure when the rule must have come in.

Lancaster' s first six nations was 2012, and Tom Palmer was playing second row in that tournament and was still at Stade Francais.

So i think we can conclude that indeed Steffon Armitage's circumstance are exceptional should they choose to select him. Get him in the squad i say

[fortysix]

Stuff the rules
We want to win the WC
If he' s good enough and fit, he should play.

[Bill W (2)]

Actually Bill. I am not sure when the rule must have come in.

Lancaster' s first six nations was 2012, and Tom Palmer was playing second row in that tournament and was still at Stade Francais.

So i think we can conclude that indeed Steffon Armitage's circumstance are exceptional should they choose to select him. Get him in the squad i say

So as we know Lancaster speaks with forked tongue! Does RAndrew write his script?

[tig1]

Bo**ox to the rules
We want to win the WC
If he' s good enough and fit, he should play.

I think it is heading that way. The thread was about comparing Flood to Armitage, and they are very different. Toby left as a member of the Eps, a consistent member of the match day 23, and when the clear rule existed. None of those apply to Armitage. Agree. Pick him if good enough.