Gloucester away Sat 13th March

[thunderbirds]

Referee: Adam Leal (8th Premiership game). Assistant Referees: Simon McConnell & Sara Cox. TMO: Geoffrey Warren. Citing Officer: Jay Curts.

Never heard of Mr Leal before.. anyone seen him officiate? This is only his 8th game so a bit of a newbie

He refereed the home game against Worcester last season, seem to remember him having a decent game. But more memorable for the hit on shillcock. https://www.premiershiprugby.com/watch/ ... ors-attack

[OakhamTiger32]

Referee: Adam Leal (8th Premiership game). Assistant Referees: Simon McConnell & Sara Cox. TMO: Geoffrey Warren. Citing Officer: Jay Curts.

Never heard of Mr Leal before.. anyone seen him officiate? This is only his 8th game so a bit of a newbie

He refereed the home game against Worcester last season, seem to remember him having a decent game. But more memorable for the hit on shillcock. https://www.premiershiprugby.com/watch/ ... ors-attack

Bit too upright in the tackle though

[Wayne Richardson Fan Club]

Referee: Adam Leal (8th Premiership game). Assistant Referees: Simon McConnell & Sara Cox. TMO: Geoffrey Warren. Citing Officer: Jay Curts.

Never heard of Mr Leal before.. anyone seen him officiate? This is only his 8th game so a bit of a newbie

He refereed the home game against Worcester last season, seem to remember him having a decent game. But more memorable for the hit on shillcock. https://www.premiershiprugby.com/watch/ ... ors-attack

Bit too upright in the tackle though

3 game ban that...

[Noggs]

Not only a no arms tackle but leading with the forearm with direct contact to the head. No mitigation; red card and six weeks ban.

That said, he may have been one of our better players on the day

[fentiger]

That said, he may have been one of our better players on the day

Wouldn't have been difficult to attain that status

[trendylfj]

They have a few out of what would be their 1st team - https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/s ... ws-5124728

[OakhamTiger32]

They have a few out of what would be their 1st team - https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/s ... ws-5124728

So Glos missing:

Joe Simpson
Ollie Thorley
Jonny May
Louis Rees-Zammit
Chris Harris
Giorgi Kveseladze
Val Rapava-Ruskin

[TigerFeetSteve]

They have a few out of what would be their 1st team - https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/s ... ws-5124728

So Glos missing:

Joe Simpson
Ollie Thorley
Jonny May
Louis Rees-Zammit
Chris Harris
Giorgi Kveseladze
Val Rapava-Ruskin

We're missing
Genge
Youngs
Ford
Martin
Wiese
Montoya (likely)
Nadolo (possibly)

[Scott1]

Is Liebenberg back? If so hope hes at 6 and Brink at 8 rather than vice versa

[Jimmy Skitz]

Is Liebenberg back? If so hope hes at 6 and Brink at 8 rather than vice versa

yes his ban is over

[mol2]

It's plain daft that an accidental head contact gets a longer ban than a glantant, deliberate shoulder to the head.

I accept that the accidental ones jave to be discouraged by getting players to tackle lower but to incur a harsher punishment than a deliberate shoulder to the head is bonkers.

One was a penalty, perhaps a yellow, the other out and out red with no mitigation whatsoever.

They need to change it so that a player can plead guilty but unintentional rather than be expected to plead guilty to a deliberate act of foul play simply to avoid a greater penatly.
Careless - penalty yellow to red. Reckless red with limited ban and deliberate red with significant ban. I don't think there should be a matter of pleading guilty or not guilty to the first two unless there is other evidence to disprove the contact.
The deliberate ones - plead not guilty and avoid a longer ban, but it should always be longer than that for a careless/reckless contact even if good conduct and a gulity plea occurs. Liebenberg's red was at worst careless (he was't expecting a player to be jumping there and landing on him. Wiese's red was reckless (he wasn't making a legal clear out but the head contact was unintentional) and Hepatima's a deliberate blow to the head. The penalties for the first two disproportionate to the latter.

[ourla]

It's plain daft that an accidental head contact

Thorley admitted that he deliberately "stayed upright" in order to "fully wrap and prevent an offload". Clearly he didn't intend to headbutt the guy but the latter was a direct consequence of the former. Hanro didn't mean to catcher out in the either but he put himself into a position where that it was a reasonable possible outcome as opposed to a freak one.

[OakhamTiger32]

So no George Martin in the England 23 this week. Wonder if he will be released back to Tigers? I’m guessing not based on past experience

[JP14]

Is Liebenberg back? If so hope hes at 6 and Brink at 8 rather than vice versa

It doesn’t matter where either play to be honest, we could see Liebenberg start at 6 but is at the rear for all the defensive scrums, they’re both interchangeable really regardless of shirt number.

[DeadlyDunc]

So no George Martin in the England 23 this week. Wonder if he will be released back to Tigers? I’m guessing not based on past experience

Think it’s about keeping within the England bubble isn’t it so almost impossible to come and out as in normal times