6 Nations 2022

[TigerFeetSteve]

Juat checked on the beeb and seen Eng U20s are 6-0 down with 10 to play vs Italy U20s

[TigerCam]

Juat checked on the beeb and seen Eng U20s are 6-0 down with 10 to play vs Italy U20s

Italy win - omen for the weekend Eddie!!

[TigerFeetSteve]

Marler not in the squad seems a strange one to me

[Scott1]

Marler not in the squad seems a strange one to me

It’s not the final Wales squad mate it’s just a training one for this fallow week

[wormus]

Marler not in the squad seems a strange one to me

It’s not the final Wales squad mate it’s just a training one for this fallow week

Or the final England squad either! But Stuart remaining rather than Heyes does surprise me after Saturday.

[voice of the crumbie]

Marler not in the squad seems a strange one to me

He's been sent away to practice throwing in to line outs

[Old Hob]

Extraordinary that the contingency for losing the line-out thrower was not catered for

[Tiglon]

I'm pretty sure that Marler said in an interview that it was all planned, he was second in line if no hooker I think, the other person was already off the pitch. Mistakes can still happen, no matter how much you plan and prepare.

[Scott1]

Marler not in the squad seems a strange one to me

It’s not the final Wales squad mate it’s just a training one for this fallow week

Or the final England squad either! But Stuart remaining rather than Heyes does surprise me after Saturday.

That's what I meant ,sorry. Final England squad for a Wales match

[TigerFeetSteve]

I'm pretty sure that Marler said in an interview that it was all planned, he was second in line if no hooker I think, the other person was already off the pitch. Mistakes can still happen, no matter how much you plan and prepare.

To my mind that's fine if we have a lineout on halfway or have already swapped hookers, 5m from our own line, when we are able to bring a specialist lineout thrower on (sub off Isiekwe/Simmonds for George, then bring Ewels on at the end of the sin bin period) I think that is tactical naivety

[wigworth]

I'm pretty sure that Marler said in an interview that it was all planned, he was second in line if no hooker I think, the other person was already off the pitch. Mistakes can still happen, no matter how much you plan and prepare.

To my mind that's fine if we have a lineout on halfway or have already swapped hookers, 5m from our own line, when we are able to bring a specialist lineout thrower on (sub off Isiekwe/Simmonds for George, then bring Ewels on at the end of the sin bin period) I think that is tactical naivety

How quickly can you sub a player on though? From what it seems like, it has to be communicated to a match official before hand, therefore can you quickly sub off a player and put in a replacement hooker just before a lineout?

[TigerFeetSteve]

I'm pretty sure that Marler said in an interview that it was all planned, he was second in line if no hooker I think, the other person was already off the pitch. Mistakes can still happen, no matter how much you plan and prepare.

To my mind that's fine if we have a lineout on halfway or have already swapped hookers, 5m from our own line, when we are able to bring a specialist lineout thrower on (sub off Isiekwe/Simmonds for George, then bring Ewels on at the end of the sin bin period) I think that is tactical naivety

How quickly can you sub a player on though? From what it seems like, it has to be communicated to a match official before hand, therefore can you quickly sub off a player and put in a replacement hooker just before a lineout?

Personally for me if it's a risk reward thing, match situation, momentum with Scotland. Ok a hooker is slightly less mobile than a lock/backrow, but with fatigue/fresh sub. As soon as the yellow was brandished I said to my dad, I said, what subs have we yet to make (I'd seen Dombrandt come on) I then said, sub off Isiekwe for George. With that match senario and time on the clock I'm always bringing George on after the sin bin period.

[mol2]

I have never seen a ref refusing to allow a hooker to come on when the other has been carded. So Marler taking the line out was not forced by necessity but by England being dumb thinking they could get away without subbing on a hooker unless a scrum was called. This was pre-planned with the loose heads nominated as emergency line out takers.

The theory may be sound if you have a prop who has previous experience of playing at hooker and throwing. Some props like Bateman and Brookes who were converted hookers perhaps, but not sure either Genge or Marler can claim to have much recent experience of this.

On a defensive line out.....bewildering!

[wigworth]

I have never seen a ref refusing to allow a hooker to come on when the other has been carded. So Marler taking the line out was not forced by necessity but by England being dumb thinking they could get away without subbing on a hooker unless a scrum was called. This was pre-planned with the loose heads nominated as emergency line out takers.

The theory may be sound if you have a prop who has previous experience of playing at hooker and throwing. Some props like Bateman and Brookes who were converted hookers perhaps, but not sure either Genge or Marler can claim to have much recent experience of this.

On a defensive line out.....bewildering!

Yeah I have just watched the passage of play again and there were several opportunities to sub a player off and bring George on, if only there would have been a scrum.

[Tiglon]

To my mind that's fine if we have a lineout on halfway or have already swapped hookers, 5m from our own line, when we are able to bring a specialist lineout thrower on (sub off Isiekwe/Simmonds for George, then bring Ewels on at the end of the sin bin period) I think that is tactical naivety

How quickly can you sub a player on though? From what it seems like, it has to be communicated to a match official before hand, therefore can you quickly sub off a player and put in a replacement hooker just before a lineout?

Personally for me if it's a risk reward thing, match situation, momentum with Scotland. Ok a hooker is slightly less mobile than a lock/backrow, but with fatigue/fresh sub. As soon as the yellow was brandished I said to my dad, I said, what subs have we yet to make (I'd seen Dombrandt come on) I then said, sub off Isiekwe for George. With that match senario and time on the clock I'm always bringing George on after the sin bin period.

Not disagreeing with you, my comment was in response to "there was no contingency" - there was, it was all discussed and agreed in advance of the game, it just didn't work. Have to say though, an international rugby player throwing a ball 5m... should be able to do that at 9 times out of 10 regardless of whether he's a hooker or not.