Have I missed something here, please what has Murphy actually done at this juncture, to justify a permanent head coach appointment other than being an Ex Tiger I desperately hope Murphy makes me eat my words but if this is true then it fills me with overwhelming dread.
Hardly fills me with with confidence. How many defeats in a row and his record as coach is terrible. Both as skills and head coach.
Surely as a minimum we need a clear out from DOR downwards, barring Stanko, who has proven himself at this level coaching.
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Good, fans need to get behind him and give him at least 2 years.
I'll get behind him if he's made permenant coach, but I really don't believe he is the man for the job.
He was skills coach for 3 years in which time our basic skill set dropped.
From what he has said, he won't remove Brett as Defense Coach.
Ged Glynn will still be calling the shots on recruitment.
The squad mentality is shot, we need experience to rebuild that.
Tigers officials are thought to believe that public backing for the status quo will be a positive step towards an imminent revival in fortunes.
No, we want change at the top. Ged has overseen this mess, how on earth is he not being replaced with a DoR.
Have I missed something here, please what has Murphy actually done at this juncture, to justify a permanent head coach appointment other than being an Ex Tiger I desperately hope Murphy makes me eat my words but if this is true then it fills me with overwhelming dread.
Hardly fills us with confirdence, three wins in nine games. The only way this could be viable is keep Murphy as Head Coach, but bring in an experienced DOR and senior defence coach.
If true, I'd hope that the board are prepared to invest in a good experienced coaching team around him. He'll take time to sort out the mess, has no experience - so bringing in additional experienced coaches in specialist areas will be massively needed. Defence (I know Brett's role but it's been awful), lineout, breakdown, attack... And retain Boris!
I think whether it's Murphy or A.N.Other, we've got to accept a bad season whilst we go through another transition and hope for better next season.
You can coach skills till the cows come home, but if you don't have any ability to start with.........
The lack of improvement or otherwise in skill level by GM is a red herring, far too much time is spent on gym work rather than rugby work, there is a reason all NZ players have a far better skill set, that comes first!
Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:22 am
You can coach skills till the cows come home, but if you don't have any ability to start with.........
The lack of improvement or otherwise in skill level by GM is a red herring, far too much time is spent on gym work rather than rugby work, there is a reason all NZ players have a far better skill set, that comes first!
On this occasion I agree with you wholeheartedly WRFC. Perhaps I expect too much but you would have thought that all those from the academy upwards would have consistently displayed the basic skills of tackling, passing, catching etc before even being considered for a place at a professional level rugby club.
Tigers for the premiership and European Cup. Get behind the team and make some noise!!
Good, fans need to get behind him and give him at least 2 years.
I'll get behind him if he's made permenant coach, but I really don't believe he is the man for the job.
He was skills coach for 3 years in which time our basic skill set dropped.
From what he has said, he won't remove Brett as Defense Coach.
Ged Glynn will still be calling the shots on recruitment.
The squad mentality is shot, we need experience to rebuild that.
Tigers officials are thought to believe that public backing for the status quo will be a positive step towards an imminent revival in fortunes.
No, we want change at the top. Ged has overseen this mess, how on earth is he not being replaced with a DoR.
I too fail to see how Glynn remains in post. A proven DoR with autonomy is essential.
I think it makes sense. We need stability, not some coaching merry go round. If they sack Murphy, it wil be another season of transition with a new coach. You on,y have to look at the other thread and the amount of players we have bought and sold. It's a stupid amount that is clearly undermining the squad and continuity. We need Senior DOR that is as clear as the nose on my aging face. Support Murphy and do it right. Get someone in who knows about rugby outside of Welford road and then start to get out of this diabolical malaise we are in.
If Smurf is to be confirmed as Head Coach for a reasonably defined period, it might be an opportune moment for the Board (or whoever) to give equal certainty to the structure and (if possible) the personnel with whom he will be supported.
Will there be a DoR? What will be the 'reporting structure'; roles and responsibilities - particularly regarding coaching and recruitment? There must be an organisation chart showing incumbents and vacancies, mustn't there?! As supporters, we crave a degree of 'certainty'. For those within the organisation - players, coaches, business and other managers and staff - it's even more desirable!
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chewbacca wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 12:10 pm
I too fail to see how Glynn remains in post. A proven DoR with autonomy is essential.
I'm another who would agree with that. I'd love to hear Murphy's thoughts on that one though. He must know Glynn better than we do and whether he does a good job.
I think all the eggs have to go in the Murphy basket as in let him have a big say on what happens around him. This idea of changing the head coach again and/or having a major clear out of coaches and/or players I just don't see as the way to go. Maybe in a year or so's time of project Murphy as been given time and is clearly failing.
Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 11:22 am
You can coach skills till the cows come home, but if you don't have any ability to start with.........
The lack of improvement or otherwise in skill level by GM is a red herring, far too much time is spent on gym work rather than rugby work, there is a reason all NZ players have a far better skill set, that comes first!
You can be the skills coach but unless the head coach decides to give you sufficient time with the players you are reliant on individuals seeking you out to ask for your help. We've seen TV and Worth both improve under the high ball in the last couple of years with both noting in previous interviews extra work with Murphy. Not all the players will interact with all the tools they offered to improve.
We also have a strength and conditioning team yet all our players looked unfit come the start of the season that was because our head coach at the time apparently chose not to beast the players in pre season as he didn't believe in it. We're still reaping the benefits of that genius thinking now.
"The Irishman was a popular choice to assume control, with strong support voiced from within the playing squad" This is the part of the report in the Daily Mail that concerns me most. "Strong support", however well meant, but for what reasons? Nobody likes their backside kicked, especially when they think they're giving 110% when its apparent to others that they're not, or at least not giving it in the areas that matter. In my humble opinion, one of the most difficult of areas in coaching is Man Management, getting the best out of the players. At this level, the ability, fitness, attitude and skills should already be in place. Specific coaches should be there to hone those skills, orchestrate the best style of play for those players, and to teach them to become decision makers with the ability to play whats in front of them. Good man managers are about, very good man managers are much rarer, and there's plenty of poor ones about. We all know some. This probably isn't the right time for change, but is it just putting off getting a new broom?
Coleshillad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:14 pm
"The Irishman was a popular choice to assume control, with strong support voiced from within the playing squad" This is the part of the report in the Daily Mail that concerns me most. "Strong support", however well meant, but for what reasons? Nobody likes their backside kicked, especially when they think they're giving 110% when its apparent to others that they're not, or at least not giving it in the areas that matter.
This.
You have got to remember that this squad
Got Cockers the sack
Got Mauger the sack
Got O'Connor brought back
Were disillusioned under O'Connor
Now throwing their weight behind Murphy
The squad haven't got a right to decide who's their boss anymore. They need to earn that right.
Coleshillad wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:14 pm
"The Irishman was a popular choice to assume control, with strong support voiced from within the playing squad" This is the part of the report in the Daily Mail that concerns me most. "Strong support", however well meant, but for what reasons? Nobody likes their backside kicked, especially when they think they're giving 110% when its apparent to others that they're not, or at least not giving it in the areas that matter.
This.
You have got to remember that this squad
Got Cockers the sack
Got Mauger the sack
Got O'Connor brought back
Were disillusioned under O'Connor
Now throwing their weight behind Murphy
The squad haven't got a right to decide who's their boss anymore. They need to earn that right.
All of that is just supposition though. I remember the same being said about the Leicester City players when Ranieri got sacked. Something they all denied and that was very little supporting evidence for. The idea that the players are dictating what happens with the coaching staff doesn't hold up to me.
Leicestertinytiger wrote: ↑Tue Dec 04, 2018 4:18 pm
Bit of a different question, does anyone know what’s going on with Andre Dunn, the academy centre. Last I heard he was waiting to get a work permit.
Still the situation.
He's playing for his local club in Norfolk currently I believe.
I desperately hope Murphy makes me eat my words but if this is true then it fills me with overwhelming dread.
