Tigers vs Saracens

[strawclearer]

Wales full-back Leigh Halfpenny has been ruled out of Saturday's autumn Test against South Africa after failing to recover from concussion.

George North is available and Liam Williams is probably favourite to take the 15 shirt with Anscombe above Holmes in the pecking order so we may get Jonah back.

[jgriffin]

These posts just show how low our expectations have come with the majority predicting at best a losing bonus point....
AT HOME !!!!!!!

If we lose and at Bristol the week after, 3 of this Board and the majority of the Coaches should be shown... THE EXIT

If you insist on being relentlessly negative, then please come up with some actualite over WHO will take over as coach(es), what would be gained by showing Peter Tom and Tom Scott the exit (there are better candidates, but not for playing reasons IMO) and exactly what the team and tactics will be.
Given the damage wrought by MOC, AM and certain senior players in their complicity with certain members of the BoD (IMO), I expect GM will need at least this and next season to fashion a new dynasty. A fresh coaching team would need at least that, with no better guarantee of success - I do believe we need a premier defence coach though.

[jgriffin]

Wales full-back Leigh Halfpenny has been ruled out of Saturday's autumn Test against South Africa after failing to recover from concussion.

Gorge North is available and Liam Williams is probably favourite to take the 15 shirt with Anscombe above Holmes in the pecking order so we may get Jonah back.

North and Williams should be wings with Holmes at FB IF performance is a criterion. I watched the whole match, and there were several underperformances (Evans 11 was the standout underperformance, Holmes was excellent).

[fortysix]

JGriffin hi
No I am not negative, just completely rational and observant.

Personally , how is that other Clubs seem to select some Johnny foreigner who immediately instals into their system a playing structure, and who also seems to have the players to follow it through.

Our purchasing has been , in the main, a literal disaster. Either a top salaried chappie with International get out clauses, or a succession of journeymen who have not got the legendary Tigers fire in their hearts. Here I will state there are some massive exceptions, Genge for one who IMO will walk back into the England team. His lap around Welford road when we blew Newcastle said it all for me. He will always be remembered as a modern player who would have shone in the halycon days.

There are others who measure up , but far too many that dont.

As for the Board , there are two who surely must disappear in Cohen and Glynn. You cannot oversee such an incredible decline and still be respected. Or maybe in 2018, you can ?!!

As for Geordie, he is an incredible servant to us. No question. But personally I believe he needs a experienced DOR like, ummm, Venter or similar, and some new Coaches , tied in with the new DOR.

Stanko seems to certainly doing his job scrummaging wise, but the rest of the forwards, oh dearie me....

Of course when Genge returns, maybe as last year, his inspirational play will cover over all the cracks, and we will enter 2019/2020 in just the same place..............

To me this is mirroring the Brexit Shambles

[Chobbsy]

Now is the time to really step, show the heart and desire from the Scarlets match.

1 Bateman
2 Kerr
3 Cole
4 Spencer
5 Kitchener
6 Williams
7 Evans
8 Kalamafoni
9 White
10 Hardwick
11 Olowofela
12 Eastmond
13 Owen
14 Thompstone
15 Worth
16 Youngs
17 Gigena
18 Cortes
19 Wells
20 Reffell
21 Harrison
22 Ford
23 Smith

We're doomed !!

[Chobbsy]

Now is the time to really step, show the heart and desire from the Scarlets match.

1 Bateman
2 Kerr
3 Cole
4 Spencer
5 Kitchener
6 Williams
7 Evans
8 Kalamafoni
9 White
10 Hardwick
11 Olowofela
12 Eastmond
13 Owen
14 Thompstone
15 Worth
16 Youngs
17 Gigena
18 Cortes
19 Wells
20 Reffell
21 Harrison
22 Ford
23 Smith

We're doomed !!

That was for those of a certain age

[Leicestertinytiger]

JGriffin hi
No I am not negative, just completely rational and observant.

Personally , how is that other Clubs seem to select some Johnny foreigner who immediately instals into their system a playing structure, and who also seems to have the players to follow it through.

Our purchasing has been , in the main, a literal disaster. Either a top salaried chappie with International get out clauses, or a succession of journeymen who have not got the legendary Tigers fire in their hearts. Here I will state there are some massive exceptions, Genge for one who IMO will walk back into the England team. His lap around Welford road when we blew Newcastle said it all for me. He will always be remembered as a modern player who would have shone in the halycon days.

There are others who measure up , but far too many that dont.

As for the Board , there are two who surely must disappear in Cohen and Glynn. You cannot oversee such an incredible decline and still be respected. Or maybe in 2018, you can ?!!

As for Geordie, he is an incredible servant to us. No question. But personally I believe he needs a experienced DOR like, ummm, Venter or similar, and some new Coaches , tied in with the new DOR.

Stanko seems to certainly doing his job scrummaging wise, but the rest of the forwards, oh dearie me....

Of course when Genge returns, maybe as last year, his inspirational play will cover over all the cracks, and we will enter 2019/2020 in just the same place..............

To me this is mirroring the Brexit Shambles

Exactly, someone viewing Tigers in an objective manner would be hard pressed to disagree with any of these points made.

Stanko is the one coach who has come in and made a massive difference. Our scrum stats for attack and defence are the best in the league.

Bar him however most of the coaches have made little or no positive impact to the playing team or wider squad. Skills never improved under Murphy and looks to be something similar as head coach. Murphy was a great player and Tigers servant but no one can deny the cold hard truth in that it is increasingly looking like he isn’t the answer to turn things around.

Definitely respect him for trying to bring some younger players into the first team, but maybe we need some experience at the top.

Same with the player recruitment, yes there has been some quality signings with the likes of Genge, Holmes, Veainu etc. But for every success there seems to be two failures in signings such as J Ford, Gigena, Mapapalangi, Owen, Barrow, Malouf etc

Hopefully next season is shaping up better with Jones and Leatigaga coming in. But they need to be the start of a massive recruitment drive to get the squad in shape.

[Chobbsy]

JGriffin hi
No I am not negative, just completely rational and observant.

Personally , how is that other Clubs seem to select some Johnny foreigner who immediately instals into their system a playing structure, and who also seems to have the players to follow it through.

Our purchasing has been , in the main, a literal disaster. Either a top salaried chappie with International get out clauses, or a succession of journeymen who have not got the legendary Tigers fire in their hearts. Here I will state there are some massive exceptions, Genge for one who IMO will walk back into the England team. His lap around Welford road when we blew Newcastle said it all for me. He will always be remembered as a modern player who would have shone in the halycon days.

There are others who measure up , but far too many that dont.

As for the Board , there are two who surely must disappear in Cohen and Glynn. You cannot oversee such an incredible decline and still be respected. Or maybe in 2018, you can ?!!

As for Geordie, he is an incredible servant to us. No question. But personally I believe he needs a experienced DOR like, ummm, Venter or similar, and some new Coaches , tied in with the new DOR.

Stanko seems to certainly doing his job scrummaging wise, but the rest of the forwards, oh dearie me....

Of course when Genge returns, maybe as last year, his inspirational play will cover over all the cracks, and we will enter 2019/2020 in just the same place..............

To me this is mirroring the Brexit Shambles

Exactly, someone viewing Tigers in an objective manner would be hard pressed to disagree with any of these points made.

Stanko is the one coach who has come in and made a massive difference. Our scrum stats for attack and defence are the best in the league.

Bar him however most of the coaches have made little or no positive impact to the playing team or wider squad. Skills never improved under Murphy and looks to be something similar as head coach. Murphy was a great player and Tigers servant but no one can deny the cold hard truth in that it is increasingly looking like he isn’t the answer to turn things around.

Definitely respect him for trying to bring some younger players into the first team, but maybe we need some experience at the top.

Same with the player recruitment, yes there has been some quality signings with the likes of Genge, Holmes, Veainu etc. But for every success there seems to be two failures in signings such as J Ford, Gigena, Mapapalangi, Owen, Barrow, Malouf etc

Hopefully next season is shaping up better with Jones and Leatigaga coming in. But they need to be the start of a massive recruitment drive to get the squad in shape.

I must have missed something...Jones and Leatigaga ????

[Spicer]

Saracens team lastwek. It will be similar to this again.

Barrington, Woolstencroft, Judge, Day, Skelton, Rhodes, Burger, Wray, Spencer, Malins, Lewington, Barritt, Tompkins, Wyles & Goode.

Replacements, Joe Gray, Hayden Thompson-Stringer, Hisa Sasagi, Joel Kpoku, Calum Clark, Ben Earl, Tom Whiteley, Marcelo Bosch.

We will be something akin to this.

Bateman, Youngs, Cole, Spencer, Wells, Williams, O'Connor, Kalamafoni, Harrison, Hardwick, Olowofela, Eastmond, Owen, Thompstone & Holmes

Replacements: Kerr, Faeo, Cortes, Fitzgerald, Reffell, White, Ford, Worth

If we get anything from this I'll be surprised.

[JP14]

Now is the time to really step, show the heart and desire from the Scarlets match.

1 Bateman
2 Kerr
3 Cole
4 Spencer
5 Kitchener
6 Williams
7 Evans
8 Kalamafoni
9 White
10 Hardwick
11 Olowofela
12 Eastmond
13 Owen
14 Thompstone
15 Worth
16 Youngs
17 Gigena
18 Cortes
19 Wells
20 Reffell
21 Harrison
22 Ford
23 Smith

We're doomed !!

That was for those of a certain age

Dad’s Army is timeless, I’m pretty sure must people on this forum got that reference.

[Wayne Richardson Fan Club]

The performance is more important than the result, certain players need to stand up for a change....less mouth more action.
& if Hardwick doesn't start at 10 then you really have to question the coaches.

[Goshengareth]

I agree with fortysix. This is like the Brexit shambles - Voters (in this case Tigers fans) with little idea of what’s desirable, reasonable or achievable, and instead chasing unicorns.

Surely we need to learn that time is required. I do wholeheartedly agree the coaching team needs beefing up. I actually think GM selects the team well. I think we’d all love to see a Venter type character involved.

[ellis9]

I agree with fortysix. This is like the Brexit shambles - Voters (in this case Tigers fans) with little idea of what’s desirable, reasonable or achievable, and instead chasing unicorns.

Surely we need to learn that time is required. I do wholeheartedly agree the coaching team needs beefing up. I actually think GM selects the team well. I think we’d all love to see a Venter type character involved.

"A Venter type character". So not Venter but someone similar. So who do you suggest?

[sam16111986]

I agree with fortysix. This is like the Brexit shambles - Voters (in this case Tigers fans) with little idea of what’s desirable, reasonable or achievable, and instead chasing unicorns.

Surely we need to learn that time is required. I do wholeheartedly agree the coaching team needs beefing up. I actually think GM selects the team well. I think we’d all love to see a Venter type character involved.

"A Venter type character". So not Venter but someone similar. So who do you suggest?

Presumably anyone who will happily oversee us replacing all our local talent with journeymen foreigners and then serving up an awful brand of kick chase rugby in a win at all costs mentality.

I'd rather have a McCall style character, he's the one who has taken Saracens on and kept redeveloping them.

[jgriffin]

Still no actualite. Who should go, who will be the replacements? Otherwise it will be the golden horizons of Brexit.
Remember, most of us believe a proper defence coach and a consultant are needed.
Glynn I get, but the Cohen hobbyhorse mskes no sense. How has his coaching affected the team? It's the BoD that collectively bear's the blame.