2024 Six Nations Chat

[Scott1]

What doesn’t seem to be reflected, in the headlines at least, is the fact that Scotland threw that game away by trying to sit back on a lead and play no rugby letting the French in for their try. That’s where it was lost for me, sadly. If that were England they would be getting pelters. Well, England seem to have got pelters anyway, but you know what I mean.

Go out in the second half and only score three points, can you really expect to win a test match? Why not play how you did in the first half, makes no sense but seems to be how they are currently. Is it a fitness thing?

France were there for the taking too,they’ve been nowhere near their best in these first two games

[Big Dai]

So.....the Scottish ball on the boot thing.
Sir sees the ball on the boot and calls "held up." Is it not then held up? That is it. Ball dead. So whatever happens after that is irrelevant?

All this looking at a fight to get the ball down is a nuisance and a waste of time.

As nofrontteeth said has to be the refs call, the match situation definitely had an impact as the call one way or another was going to affect the result.
Same call much earlier in the game the ref may well have backed himself

Not quite what I meant.

There's a push and a shove and a general melee. You, as sir, see the ball supported off the ground on a boot, blow the whistle and call "Held up."

At that point in time the ball is deemed dead, is it not? (Dunno....that's why I'm asking) so any action to ground the ball after that is null and void.

So the ball hitting the ground or not is one thing. But if "held up" was called before the grounding it's held up.

Otherwise you'll have attempts to ground after the call which IMHO is a nonsense?

[Rugbygramps]

No I understand Dai. You’re right refs whistle blows play stops.

I suppose what I’m trying to say is that he was double checking that he hadn’t missed anything prior to the whistle. Your point about trying to place the ball after that valid.

[Scott1]

The ref could’ve gone back on his held up call if the ball hadve gone off the boot and down in one motion though right? Be just the same as reaching out for the tryline to score without it being a double movement

[Jimmy Skitz]

What doesn’t seem to be reflected, in the headlines at least, is the fact that Scotland threw that game away by trying to sit back on a lead and play no rugby letting the French in for their try. That’s where it was lost for me, sadly. If that were England they would be getting pelters. Well, England seem to have got pelters anyway, but you know what I mean.

yep they deserve to lose for Finn repeatedly just standing still to waste time after receiving a kick, don't get me wrong the French should work harder to put people onside but that was anti rugby

[fentiger]

It’s a little concerning how far Ireland appear to be ahead of the rest

It’s more than a little concerning especially with O’Mahoney as Captain

[Rugbygramps]

It’s a little concerning how far Ireland appear to be ahead of the rest

It’s more than a little concerning especially with O’Mahoney as Captain

He’s not playing today

[Rugbygramps]

How about that for a rendition of Irelands call

[fentiger]

It’s a little concerning how far Ireland appear to be ahead of the rest

It’s more than a little concerning especially with O’Mahoney as Captain

He’s not playing today

Good!

[Scott1]

Not even gonna watch this one,it's not a good look when you have pointless international games in a huge tournament like this

[Big Dai]

Not even gonna watch this one,it's not a good look when you have pointless international games in a huge tournament like this

You'd watch it if was England! Lol

[Scott1]

Not even gonna watch this one,it's not a good look when you have pointless international games in a huge tournament like this

You'd watch it if was England! Lol

Yeah,most of our games are pointless! Unless it's a gimme against the Welsh

[mol2]

If they took away the part that deems players ahead of the kicker being played onside by the opposition player bringing it back 5m and insisted that off side players retreat until the kicker (or runner from behind) plays them onside would make for a better game.

The incentive to kick would be less if you knew that your forwards would need to be running forwards and back. I doubt the juggernauts in the French pack would appreciate having to do the distance.

[Big Dai]

Not even gonna watch this one,it's not a good look when you have pointless international games in a huge tournament like this

You'd watch it if was England! Lol

Yeah,most of our games are pointless! Unless it's a gimme against the Welsh

Yeah....beat Wales by half a point and it's enough. Been driving round Abergavenny with the lid open and ELP blaring out "Jerusalem".

The looks you can get!

[mol2]

The adjudication at the end of the Scotland France game would have been less contentious but for the television official saying he could see the ball grounded, only then to say there wasn’t clear evidence to overturn the on field call.

It’s a binary decision: If you see the ball grounded then the only option is to overrule.
It’s probably down is not sufficient but that isn’t what he said.