As I have said before WW inherited a championship winning squad. Just because its the six nations does not mean he is no longer responsible for the game plan on the pitchIan Cant wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:50 pm Thanks Mr. Borthwick: build us up only to knock us down!How the hell can any club cope with this disruption: reminds me of 2003 and it took ages to recover. I remember going up to Newcastle having not won a league game: we got a couple of players back from Nottingham and sneaked a win.
I honestly cannot see us winning another game during the Six Nations unless we get some players back.
Feel so sorry for Wigglesworth.
Please don’t blame him: blame the system!!
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Exactly,can’t get a free pass because players are missing. We’ve got a fantastic squad and have had more than enough to win some of the games we’ve lost.sapajo wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:25 pmAs I have said before WW inherited a championship winning squad. Just because its the six nations does not mean he is no longer responsible for the game plan on the pitchIan Cant wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 5:50 pm Thanks Mr. Borthwick: build us up only to knock us down!How the hell can any club cope with this disruption: reminds me of 2003 and it took ages to recover. I remember going up to Newcastle having not won a league game: we got a couple of players back from Nottingham and sneaked a win.
I honestly cannot see us winning another game during the Six Nations unless we get some players back.
Feel so sorry for Wigglesworth.
Please don’t blame him: blame the system!!
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SB didn’t think twice about leaving us and won’t think twice about taking all our eligible players. Unless the league changes and we don’t play when internationals are on, AND during the England players rest weeks, we can compete. We will have to dump a load of EQP and in favour of non English players than can actually play for us. Ultimately the RFU will kill the golden goose unless they adapt, unlikely while Sweeney remains.
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As I have said before WW inherited a championship winning squad. Just because its the six nations does not mean he is no longer responsible for the game plan on the pitchScott1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:26 pm [quote=sapajo post_id=845079 time=<a href="tel:1675103128">1675103128</a> user_id=9379]
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Thanks Mr. Borthwick: build us up only to knock us down!How the hell can any club cope with this disruption: reminds me of 2003 and it took ages to recover. I remember going up to Newcastle having not won a league game: we got a couple of players back from Nottingham and sneaked a win.
I honestly cannot see us winning another game during the Six Nations unless we get some players back.
Feel so sorry for Wigglesworth.
Please don’t blame him: blame the system!!
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Exactly,can’t get a free pass because players are missing. We’ve got a fantastic squad and have had more than enough to win some of the games we’ve lost.
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Very true, even now without Watson and Porter we still have a very good set of players who should be winning games!!
We still have one of the best hookers, numbers 8’s in the world shirting up followed by a World Cup winning 10, as for the rest of the squad we have enough to keep in the mix, it’s all about tactics and mentality, which seems to have gone awol since SB and KS have departed!!
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Exactly,can’t get a free pass because players are missing. We’ve got a fantastic squad and have had more than enough to win some of the games we’ve lost.baz1664 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:39 pmAs I have said before WW inherited a championship winning squad. Just because its the six nations does not mean he is no longer responsible for the game plan on the pitchScott1 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 6:26 pm [quote=sapajo post_id=845079 time=<a href="tel:1675103128">1675103128</a> user_id=9379]
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Thanks Mr. Borthwick: build us up only to knock us down!How the hell can any club cope with this disruption: reminds me of 2003 and it took ages to recover. I remember going up to Newcastle having not won a league game: we got a couple of players back from Nottingham and sneaked a win.
I honestly cannot see us winning another game during the Six Nations unless we get some players back.
Feel so sorry for Wigglesworth.
Please don’t blame him: blame the system!!
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Very true, even now without Watson and Porter we still have a very good set of players who should be winning games!!
We still have one of the best hookers, numbers 8’s in the world shirting up followed by a World Cup winning 10, as for the rest of the squad we have enough to keep in the mix, it’s all about tactics and mentality, which seems to have gone awol since SB and KS have departed!!
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To be fair they were awol most of the season including when SB and KS were still here it is not an entirely recent development, although personally I feel it is more that the style we played last season and have tried to continue with this season has aged badly and we have also regressed in how we execute it. So the tactics are there, they just aren't particularly effective anymore, but I do agree that the mentality has dipped massively for whatever reasons.
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1. It's 3 weeks till we play again. England play on Saturday. We don't have any idea when players are out till, good chance if either of Kelly or Slade is fit in 3 weeks we get Porter back.
2. It's a bye week in the 6N we next play on so players will be released if they haven't had gametime.
2. It's a bye week in the 6N we next play on so players will be released if they haven't had gametime.
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There should be a break in the league for the 6N. No rest weeks.
Likewise the AIs. 3 games only on consecutive weeks. No League games in that period.
Greater share of revenue to sides with 4 or more players in the squad (includes those released because of injury). This will act as an incentive to produce England players or at least not benefit those that fill their squad with non-internationals or foreign players.
Ditch the low value cup.
Consider ditching Europe unless the money is compelling enough to justify playing in a competition that there is no longer a realistic chance of winning against the regional sides. Talking to others, many are not going to the Edinburgh match. Partly because it’s not on the season ticket and partly because, even if we win there is no realistic possibility of putting a squad with a chance with the salary cap constraints.
Yes we have a lot of players in the squad but under normal circumstances not too many in the starting line up.
Likewise the AIs. 3 games only on consecutive weeks. No League games in that period.
Greater share of revenue to sides with 4 or more players in the squad (includes those released because of injury). This will act as an incentive to produce England players or at least not benefit those that fill their squad with non-internationals or foreign players.
Ditch the low value cup.
Consider ditching Europe unless the money is compelling enough to justify playing in a competition that there is no longer a realistic chance of winning against the regional sides. Talking to others, many are not going to the Edinburgh match. Partly because it’s not on the season ticket and partly because, even if we win there is no realistic possibility of putting a squad with a chance with the salary cap constraints.
Yes we have a lot of players in the squad but under normal circumstances not too many in the starting line up.
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Those who blame Wigglesworth have forgotten the poor performances under Steve Borthwick up to and including the Bristol draw.
I just think it’s unfair to judge a coach who inherited a side that was underperforming apart from Saints and Quins away.
We did superbly well to win the Final last year but this season teams have found us out.
For me on Saturday there were, if everyone is realistic, mitigating circumstances.
1) 3-4 good props missing
2) both scrum halves missing
3) Word Class fly half injured after 45 minutes then Burns injured with 12 minutes to go.
4) Credit to Saints: they played on the edge, defended well and targeted our under strength positions.
Then look at the league: below Saracens and Sale: so competitive.
Finally: those who moan about Wigglesworth I ask:
Who else would we get mid season?
I just think it’s unfair to judge a coach who inherited a side that was underperforming apart from Saints and Quins away.
We did superbly well to win the Final last year but this season teams have found us out.
For me on Saturday there were, if everyone is realistic, mitigating circumstances.
1) 3-4 good props missing
2) both scrum halves missing
3) Word Class fly half injured after 45 minutes then Burns injured with 12 minutes to go.
4) Credit to Saints: they played on the edge, defended well and targeted our under strength positions.
Then look at the league: below Saracens and Sale: so competitive.
Finally: those who moan about Wigglesworth I ask:
Who else would we get mid season?
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Calling all Season Ticket holders!
Watson and now Porter called up with Kelly injured. Tigers are in desperate need of players so it’s time for us season ticket holders to backfill the squad. I used to be a half decent Sunday morning league full back but could have a go at centre - though in the centre I’m more a L and M than a 12 and 13 I know it’s been 25 years since I last played but needs must and all that. I think my boots are at the back of the loft behind my treasured possession - a Chris Ashton tooth given to me by Manu. As for tackle height I can happily bend down at the waist, it’ll be the bending back up that I’ll struggle with. And I’ll even get myself to A&E, though I’d be grateful if someone could help me across the road. Only downside is that being English in a Tigers shirt I may get called up by Borths.
Watson and now Porter called up with Kelly injured. Tigers are in desperate need of players so it’s time for us season ticket holders to backfill the squad. I used to be a half decent Sunday morning league full back but could have a go at centre - though in the centre I’m more a L and M than a 12 and 13 I know it’s been 25 years since I last played but needs must and all that. I think my boots are at the back of the loft behind my treasured possession - a Chris Ashton tooth given to me by Manu. As for tackle height I can happily bend down at the waist, it’ll be the bending back up that I’ll struggle with. And I’ll even get myself to A&E, though I’d be grateful if someone could help me across the road. Only downside is that being English in a Tigers shirt I may get called up by Borths.
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Some much needed humour! I'll happily buy you a pint before you get carted off to the hospitalaslongaswebeatsaints wrote: ↑Mon Jan 30, 2023 10:07 pm Calling all Season Ticket holders!
Watson and now Porter called up with Kelly injured. Tigers are in desperate need of players so it’s time for us season ticket holders to backfill the squad. I used to be a half decent Sunday morning league full back but could have a go at centre - though in the centre I’m more a L and M than a 12 and 13 I know it’s been 25 years since I last played but needs must and all that. I think my boots are at the back of the loft behind my treasured possession - a Chris Ashton tooth given to me by Manu. As for tackle height I can happily bend down at the waist, it’ll be the bending back up that I’ll struggle with. And I’ll even get myself to A&E, though I’d be grateful if someone could help me across the road. Only downside is that being English in a Tigers shirt I may get called up by Borths.
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What's happened to Dan? That is a blow for both England and us
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Did Jones injury him in training, oh wait a minute.....
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Oh no! Whispers are it's Smith/Farrell!
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