Tigers post Borthwick - next Head Coach?

[ourla]

Based on very little proper analysis I like the idea of Leo Cullen.

For me we were slightly fortunate to strike gold with Borthwick and we'll be fortunate to strike again so soon. But you have to try.

The thing I liked most about Borthwick is he seemed to get the club and wanted to build from the ground up. To have players with the right attitude, to get the basics right, etc. etc.

Some how we are a different beast to Quins and Saints - and more like dare I say it Saracens - I'm talking style of play that seems to suit the club. Which sounds kinda stupid but...

Cullen seems in that mould, that would suit.

[Chobbsy]

This could be a long painful evening for us, a bit like the last 2 matches really

[Hot_Charlie]

Is he still at Exeter? If so what's his contract likely to be?
A quick Google reveals he's moved around the West Country quite a bit!

Yeah I thought he was at Chiefs as well.

I think if we rate Everard then we have to give him a little time to implement his own set up.

We may want to get Everard focused on attack.

I think that's the thing with Everard. We were very well placed to have him able to step in to Kev's shoes immediately, but whether defence is his best facet is open perhaps to debate.

Either way, in the short term, home European qualification is surely the aim. That'll claw some matchday revenue back.

[sam16111986]

Yeah I thought he was at Chiefs as well.

I think if we rate Everard then we have to give him a little time to implement his own set up.

We may want to get Everard focused on attack.

I think that's the thing with Everard. We were very well placed to have him able to step in to Kev's shoes immediately, but whether defence is his best facet is open perhaps to debate.

Either way, in the short term, home European qualification is surely the aim. That'll claw some matchday revenue back.

I thought his experiences were as a defence coach and academy transition coach at Wasps? Did he coach their attack?

[Hot_Charlie]

We may want to get Everard focused on attack.

I think that's the thing with Everard. We were very well placed to have him able to step in to Kev's shoes immediately, but whether defence is his best facet is open perhaps to debate.

Either way, in the short term, home European qualification is surely the aim. That'll claw some matchday revenue back.

I thought his experiences were as a defence coach and academy transition coach at Wasps? Did he coach their attack?

I can't find a good reference right now, but I think he started as Transition Coach, the Defence but ended up as either attack or skills or similar.

In fact, the Wasps website coaching list has him as Attack Coach!

[sapajo]

Murphy was our skills coach and became Head coach.

Mike Ford was our defence coach who became attack coach.

WW was our attack coach and now head coach.

Prior to him Smith was our attack coach.

It seems a coaching position is just a label rather than any semblance of a specific coaching skill or ability.

[sam16111986]

I think that's the thing with Everard. We were very well placed to have him able to step in to Kev's shoes immediately, but whether defence is his best facet is open perhaps to debate.

Either way, in the short term, home European qualification is surely the aim. That'll claw some matchday revenue back.

I thought his experiences were as a defence coach and academy transition coach at Wasps? Did he coach their attack?

I can't find a good reference right now, but I think he started as Transition Coach, the Defence but ended up as either attack or skills or similar.

In fact, the Wasps website coaching list has him as Attack Coach!

Thanks. I'd assumed as Wasps and England effectively switched attack coaches that Mitchell would have had that role with Wasps.

[Hot_Charlie]

Murphy was our skills coach and became Head coach.

Mike Ford was our defence coach who became attack coach.

WW was our attack coach and now head coach.

Prior to him Smith was our attack coach.

It seems a coaching position is just a label rather than any semblance of a specific coaching skill or ability.

I think that will possibly be the case before a coach really specialises, but certainly as a coach gets more experienced they will naturally develop an affinity with a certain role. In broader terms, the label allows accountability and responsibility for a particular facet within the group.

[ABClub]

Murphy was our skills coach and became Head coach.

Mike Ford was our defence coach who became attack coach.

WW was our attack coach and now head coach.

Prior to him Smith was our attack coach.

It seems a coaching position is just a label rather than any semblance of a specific coaching skill or ability.

I think that will possibly be the case before a coach really specialises, but certainly as a coach gets more experienced they will naturally develop an affinity with a certain role. In broader terms, the label allows accountability and responsibility for a particular facet within the group.

I think this depends entirely on individuals. The ABs shuffled their coaching setup at one point under Hansen. I can't remember the exact shifts but Wayne Smith definitely went from attack to defence. Basically they kept the same personnel but the three senior coaches all rotated roles to freshen things up. Some coaches can definitely fill different roles.

Farrell Snr has always been a fantastic defence coach but there were murmurs his influence in attack coaching with England were less than positive. Ireland now have a fantastic attack with Farrell at the helm and the same attack coach he worked alongside with England in Mike Catt. Coaches definitely do develop with experience like players.

I wouldn't say the above examples from Sapajo are the best though. Murphy as HC wasn't a roaring success. Ford is an accomplished defence coach but our attack under him was dismal.

Coaching teams need balance the same as playing XVs do. The current setup has no balance. It lacks experience, a defence coach and honestly I think we needed an attack coach before SB and KS departed.

[glenn]

Surely if you coach defence, you are looking at attack and how to counter it. And vice versa? So it would be inter changeable. But with one thinking more specifically how to break the other. My opinion of course

[westwinds31]

Of course you could have the best defensive system in the world, but the key is to get the buy-in of the players, who have to understand, believe and commit to it. Easier said than done. Same with attack, you can't just say "this is the way we're going to attack" and hope it happens, you have to have the right players to execute it, across the squad as well so if player A gets injured, can player B step in a do a similar job ? Then there's different plans for different sides. Not easy.

[TigerFeetSteve]

https://twitter.com/wiffen_john/status/ ... 9IgVQ&s=19

Really good thread on our Head coach recruitment journey as described by our CEO

[fentiger]

https://twitter.com/wiffen_john/status/ ... 9IgVQ&s=19

Really good thread on our Head coach recruitment journey as described by our CEO

Indeed, he appears to have listened, heard and taken away from the press conference a lot more than Adam Whitty!

[nicmattyg]

May already have been posted elsewhere but the daily Mail are connecting us with Gregor Townsend post World Cup:

Meanwhile, Leicester insist that they have not yet decided on Borthwick’s replacement, despite sources telling Sportsmail that Scotland head coach Gregor Townsend is set to take charge after the World Cup.

[nicmattyg]

May already have been posted elsewhere but the daily Mail are connecting us with Gregor Townsend post World Cup:

Meanwhile, Leicester insist that they have not yet decided on Borthwick’s replacement, despite sources telling Sportsmail that Scotland head coach Gregor Townsend is set to take charge after the World Cup.

Link https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby ... e-him.html