Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Such awful news - it's bad enough when someone gets this at any age, but he's still so young
Experts are still not sure of the cause, but there is an increasing awareness of it among the population
I'm confident a cure will be found one day, let's hope it is in time to help Ed!
Experts are still not sure of the cause, but there is an increasing awareness of it among the population
I'm confident a cure will be found one day, let's hope it is in time to help Ed!
Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
A dreadful illness, absolute awful news!!
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Thanks MCC I had forgotten Joost and Jarrod Cunningham but remembered Rob Burrows.
I know there is a lot of research but something must be amiss with these super fit relatively young men contracting this disease
I know there is a lot of research but something must be amiss with these super fit relatively young men contracting this disease
Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Sadly it's not as rare as we would like it to be.
Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
This is awful news, and my thoughts go out to Ed and his friends and family.
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Repetitive insult to the neurons of the brain by physical (and chemical etc) damage is a precondition for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc. Seeing higher incidences of these diseases, especially early onset in otherwise very healthy individuals (especially individuals with good cardiovascular health, rendering vascular complications less likely), is a lot more concerning than the rugby governing bodies and (most of the) rugby press would have you believe.
ETA: I'd have to check the numbers/literature, but IIRC a 3-fold increase in all neurodegenerative diseases has been observed in contact sportspeople. Don't quote me! It's off the top of my head.
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The answer is yes we know there is a correlation. And we know there is more than correlation, there is causation. Not necessarily for MND specifically, but for neurodegenerative disorders more generally. The lifetime "dose" of collisions is the key variable (concussions are bad, but they "look bad", and so get acted on.) here. It would radically change the sport to remove/significantly reduce these collisions, so I will make no comment on what should be done other than to note this issue.Do we know if there is any correlation between these 2 things or just a tragic coincidence
Repetitive insult to the neurons of the brain by physical (and chemical etc) damage is a precondition for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc. Seeing higher incidences of these diseases, especially early onset in otherwise very healthy individuals (especially individuals with good cardiovascular health, rendering vascular complications less likely), is a lot more concerning than the rugby governing bodies and (most of the) rugby press would have you believe.
ETA: I'd have to check the numbers/literature, but IIRC a 3-fold increase in all neurodegenerative diseases has been observed in contact sportspeople. Don't quote me! It's off the top of my head.
Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Awful news. Cracking player and will always be a Tiger.
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Thank you for this very informative but not very surprisingLouis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:42 pm This is awful news, and my thoughts go out to Ed and his friends and family.
Rugbygramps asked:
The answer is yes we know there is a correlation. And we know there is more than correlation, there is causation. Not necessarily for MND specifically, but for neurodegenerative disorders more generally. The lifetime "dose" of collisions is the key variable (concussions are bad, but they "look bad", and so get acted on.) here. It would radically change the sport to remove/significantly reduce these collisions, so I will make no comment on what should be done other than to note this issue.Do we know if there is any correlation between these 2 things or just a tragic coincidence
Repetitive insult to the neurons of the brain by physical (and chemical etc) damage is a precondition for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc. Seeing higher incidences of these diseases, especially early onset in otherwise very healthy individuals (especially individuals with good cardiovascular health, rendering vascular complications less likely), is a lot more concerning than the rugby governing bodies and (most of the) rugby press would have you believe.
ETA: I'd have to check the numbers/literature, but IIRC a 3-fold increase in all neurodegenerative diseases has been observed in contact sportspeople. Don't quote me! It's off the top of my head.
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
This is the most awful news and our hearts will go out to Ed, Jo and the family.
I've no scientific or medical knowledge but fellow posters may be interested in this:
https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/freque ... ndividuals
My only other thought is that Johnson committed £50m to MND research. According to Doddie, none of that has actually materialised so, before he is rightly consigned to the dustbin of political history, it would be nice if he could find the funds to meet his promise.
I've no scientific or medical knowledge but fellow posters may be interested in this:
https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/news/freque ... ndividuals
My only other thought is that Johnson committed £50m to MND research. According to Doddie, none of that has actually materialised so, before he is rightly consigned to the dustbin of political history, it would be nice if he could find the funds to meet his promise.
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Would be nice if the club could swap the Newcastlw pre-season (as we have them 1st home anyway) for a fund raising match with Worcester.
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
I think that you mean Gloucester, not Wuss.animalnitrate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:51 pm Would be nice if the club could swap the Newcastlw pre-season (as we have them 1st home anyway) for a fund raising match with Worcester.
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Thought I was missing something for a minuteCagey Tiger wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:58 pmI think that you mean Gloucester, not Wuss.animalnitrate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:51 pm Would be nice if the club could swap the Newcastlw pre-season (as we have them 1st home anyway) for a fund raising match with Worcester.
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
It's actually around 2 in 100,000 persons per year. Or somewhere in the region of 1 in 300-500 people over a lifetime.sk 88 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:45 pmBelieve 6th or 7th. Joost, Doddie, Ed, Romanian scrum half Petre Mitu, Tinus Linee from South Africa plus famously Jarrod Cunningham from London Irish.Rugbygramps wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 3:22 pm Devastating news so sorry for Ed and his young family.
3rd high profile rugby player to be diagnosed with this dreadful disease to my knowledge. Do we know if there is any correlation between these 2 things or just a tragic coincidence
Expected rate is estimated to be 2 in 100,000 over a lifetime.
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Very sorry to hear this news. Ed was a great servant of the club before he went to Glaws.
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Thanks for this Louis. As a scientist by profession (although not medical), I am alarmed by the causation you mention and what you identify as the key variable.Louis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:42 pm This is awful news, and my thoughts go out to Ed and his friends and family.
Rugbygramps asked:
The answer is yes we know there is a correlation. And we know there is more than correlation, there is causation. Not necessarily for MND specifically, but for neurodegenerative disorders more generally. The lifetime "dose" of collisions is the key variable (concussions are bad, but they "look bad", and so get acted on.) here. It would radically change the sport to remove/significantly reduce these collisions, so I will make no comment on what should be done other than to note this issue.Do we know if there is any correlation between these 2 things or just a tragic coincidence
Repetitive insult to the neurons of the brain by physical (and chemical etc) damage is a precondition for Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, etc. Seeing higher incidences of these diseases, especially early onset in otherwise very healthy individuals (especially individuals with good cardiovascular health, rendering vascular complications less likely), is a lot more concerning than the rugby governing bodies and (most of the) rugby press would have you believe.
ETA: I'd have to check the numbers/literature, but IIRC a 3-fold increase in all neurodegenerative diseases has been observed in contact sportspeople. Don't quote me! It's off the top of my head.
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Re: Ed Slater diagnosed with Motor Neurone Disease (MND)
Your right....I'm such a idiotRugbygramps wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:59 pmThought I was missing something for a minuteCagey Tiger wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:58 pmI think that you mean Gloucester, not Wuss.animalnitrate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:51 pm Would be nice if the club could swap the Newcastlw pre-season (as we have them 1st home anyway) for a fund raising match with Worcester.