Refs and Sarries

[wigworth]

As it currently stands these are the card totals for the teams so far in the Premiership

Leicester - 17 yellows
Saracens - 4 yellows
Harlequins - 11 yellows
Exeter - 3 yellows - 2 reds
Northampton - 11 yellows
Sale - 7 yellows - 2 reds
Gloucester - 13 yellows
London Irish - 12 yellows - 3 reds
Wasps - 9 yellows - 2 reds
Bristol - 16 yellows - 2 reds
Newcastle - 7 yellows - 2 reds
Worcester - 12 yellows - 3 reds
Bath - 14 yellows - 2 reds

[Scott1]

Hah! I know your gift for sophistry too well to be sucked down that wormhole, Scott!

No I’m asking a genuine question. To shorten it considerably,do you agree Nadolos was a yellow and Billy V was just a penalty then?

I’ll shorten it still further. Yes.

OK then with fans like that who needs haterz

[DeadlyDunc]

Ours is the anomaly in some ways because if you are winning week in week out then you shouldn’t need to concede penalties and be under pressure to force turnovers etc

Sarries play a very basic game as we all know, designed to minimise risk and apply the greatest pressure on the opposition to cause them to make mistakes.

I’d say the neutral would argue ours should be lower and theirs should be higher with the truth in the middle somewhere on laws of averages.

[Scott1]

So a genuine attempt to catch the ball while being bumped during the incident is a yellow card but a blatant slap down with no players around stopping a potential break is just a penalty? Wow,that's told me. And there was me fretting ay

[Scott1]

As it currently stands these are the card totals for the teams so far in the Premiership

Leicester - 17 yellows
Saracens - 4 yellows
Harlequins - 10 yellows
Exeter - 3 yellows - 2 reds
Northampton - 11 yellows
Sale - 7 yellows - 2 reds
Gloucester - 13 yellows
London Irish - 12 yellows - 3 reds
Wasps - 9 yellows - 2 reds
Bristol - 16 yellows - 2 reds
Newcastle - 7 yellows - 2 reds
Worcester - 12 yellows - 3 reds
Bath - 14 yellows - 2 reds

Excellent work thanks

[Crofty]

As it currently stands these are the card totals for the teams so far in the Premiership

Leicester - 17 yellows
Saracens - 4 yellows
Harlequins - 10 yellows
Exeter - 3 yellows - 2 reds
Northampton - 11 yellows
Sale - 7 yellows - 2 reds
Gloucester - 13 yellows
London Irish - 12 yellows - 3 reds
Wasps - 9 yellows - 2 reds
Bristol - 16 yellows - 2 reds
Newcastle - 7 yellows - 2 reds
Worcester - 12 yellows - 3 reds
Bath - 14 yellows - 2 reds

With the context of the entire league that Sarries number looks very fishy...

[TigerFeetSteve]

Ok, according to the citing commissioner. In our first game vs Sarries Kelly should have been red carded and that would have also ensured Sarries won that game vs us. Without that winning run and momentum from that game where would we be.

I'd rather have the league position than the lowest yellow card rating.

[Rugbygramps]

2 points for me. One yes it is down to interpretation, but the nature of the game and the number of different laws means that will always be the case, compared to say football. Does this lead to inconsistency, yes particularly when as ref from another country is involved, as with todays game where Reynal was in charge, and there were definitely some different interpretations. Despite certain posters assertions it is very rarely black and white.

Secondly today Danny Care picked up his 5th yellow of the season, and he now shares the record with Gareth Archer. Who for those who don’t know was an uncompromising 2nd row.
4 of Care’s cards have come in the last 4 games. I very much doubt any were for foul play but surely a ban needs to be forthcoming for a future league match(s), otherwise he will just keep doing it

[wigworth]

Secondly today Danny Care picked up his 5th yellow of the season, and he now shares the record with Gareth Archer. Who for those who don’t know was an uncompromising 2nd row.
4 of Care’s cards have come in the last 4 games. I very much doubt any were for foul play but surely a ban needs to be forthcoming for a future league match(s), otherwise he will just keep doing it

That is certainly quite a feat to achieve, if he manages five in a row it will make a great rugby quiz question.

[chris111]

2 points for me. One yes it is down to interpretation, but the nature of the game and the number of different laws means that will always be the case, compared to say football. Does this lead to inconsistency, yes particularly when as ref from another country is involved, as with todays game where Reynal was in charge, and there were definitely some different interpretations. Despite certain posters assertions it is very rarely black and white.

You want to be careful introducing nuance into the debate, gramps...you’ll give our Scottie palpitations

[Offside]

Most of Cares are intentional knock on’s to interrupt a potential try scoring mode from the opposition. All have been professional fouls and cynical if you believe other teams have a right to try to score unimpeded.

Sarries seem to infringe in breakdowns a few phases further out but do not get team yellows. I think they start off before the 22 “red zone” so refs are more lenient.

[Scott1]

2 points for me. One yes it is down to interpretation, but the nature of the game and the number of different laws means that will always be the case, compared to say football. Does this lead to inconsistency, yes particularly when as ref from another country is involved, as with todays game where Reynal was in charge, and there were definitely some different interpretations. Despite certain posters assertions it is very rarely black and white.

You want to be careful introducing nuance into the debate, gramps...you’ll give our Scottie palpitations

Nothing nuanced about regarding a 50/50 penalty/yellow as a definite yellow and a definite yellow as only a penalty

[glenn]

Im surprised at how low exeters' tally is. Also bare in mind that for sarries they haven't had farrell playing for most of the season!

[longlivethecrumbie]

Im surprised at how low exeters' tally is. Also bare in mind that for sarries they haven't had farrell playing for most of the season!

He wouldn't get carded anyway!

[dunks43]

Secondly today Danny Care picked up his 5th yellow of the season, and he now shares the record with Gareth Archer. Who for those who don’t know was an uncompromising 2nd row.
4 of Care’s cards have come in the last 4 games. I very much doubt any were for foul play but surely a ban needs to be forthcoming for a future league match(s), otherwise he will just keep doing it

Jasper got a 2 game ban earlier in the season for receiving 3 yellow cards in the season, but it looks like Danny Care will not get into any trouble as the rules are..

No disciplinary action will be taken in relation to yellow cards awarded for technical
offences. All yellow cards (technical and Foul Play) shall be reported to the RFU, but
only those awarded for Foul Play will be recorded, attract an administrative fee as set
out in Appendix 3 and be included for totting up purposes

I presume deliberate knock on's are technical and not foul play even though they all resulted in the other team being awarded a penalty , nothing in the the rules seem to allow any further action being taken

https://www.englandrugby.com//dxdam/04/ ... ix%201.pdf