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Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:12 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56763899

They're trialling the 20min red card

Captains challenge

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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by Tigerbeat » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:20 pm

Taking on more rules from League with the goal line drop outs.
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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by daktari » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:29 pm

If I wanted to watch League, I would. Stop tinkering with the flipping’ laws and apply the ones we already have. Few more years the scrum will be gone along with the fans
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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by Scott1 » Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:30 pm

Turning this game into League,stop now!

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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by Crofty » Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:07 pm

TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:12 pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/56763899

They're trialling the 20min red card
So the whingers have got their way, no more games "ruined" by red cards, because it's the fault of the referee that a player engages in an act of dangerous foul play early in the game.
TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:12 pm
Captains challenge
Smart move, far too long coming, and I like the keep it until you get one wrong approach as it'll hold poor referees fully to account, although the 5 minutes free for all at the end (of each half?) sounds to me like it'll make the final whistle feel like a rarer sight, especially for games involving certain internationals...
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Fully agree with those above, the scrum is an endangered species and we must take action to save it!
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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by JP14 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:11 am

I think the Captain’s Referral is a good addition and could go a long way to stop the wendyball moaning and flapping of the arms that’s now a part of our game.
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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by Old Hob » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:16 am

But are we going to see French TV directors repeatedly showing dodgy angles until the Captain notices :smt003
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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by BFG » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:24 am

The scrum isn't worth saving as a spectacle in it's current state but I don't like the goal line drop out instead, that's too league in my opinion.
We very rarely see two teams wanting to have an actual scrummaging competition nowadays.
It's most often either scrum parity or the side under pressure collapsing at the mark.
If they're going to do anything then bring back hooking for both hookers and make a decent competition of it, that'll automatically depower it and bring the height up to a sensible level because the hookers will need leg room.
It's an integral part of the union game in my opinion that if done properly is entertaining.

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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by LessThanSte » Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:39 am

And that to me is the problem. If scrums were a competition then it might be worth watching. But at the moment scrums are one of the parts of play that is regularly unwatchable.

Which is why im baffled that of the things they are trialling are not things which will make much difference to the spectacle. I havent spoken to one person who can clearly articulate why there is a need for a hit in the scrum and why we can bind the players together before they start to push. Doing so would, imo, get rid of most of the nonsense scrum resets, get the game going again quicker and provide a better platform for an actual scrum to take place. Oh, and it would probably reduce injuries, too!

As an aside, i wonder how players of this era would cope with the pace of the game in the past. I suspect they'd struggle. One of these days i'll time the actual play - i suspect its around 60 minutes max!

I like the red card rule. But there probably needs to be some careful attention paid to using it as a way of getting an e.g. senior player back on the pitch. Probably a small risk. But also, is there a need for a 'Super Red Card' that punishes very serious offences? A 20 minute punishment doesnt, in some cases, seem appropriate.

Not sure on the challenge rule - though as others have said it may reduce the propensity for players (mostly Welsh backs, but beginning to become endemic) from waving their arms around. But, again, need to be carefully managed. In cricket, there are quite a few examples where captains have said to an umpire 'oh, are you sure he didnt hit that, it looked mighty close and i thought i heard a noise' to induce an umpire review, rather than a team review. It almost, in that case, comes a 'free' review.
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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by JP14 » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:35 am

BFG wrote:
Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:24 am
The scrum isn't worth saving as a spectacle in it's current state but I don't like the goal line drop out instead, that's too league in my opinion.
We very rarely see two teams wanting to have an actual scrummaging competition nowadays.
It's most often either scrum parity or the side under pressure collapsing at the mark.
If they're going to do anything then bring back hooking for both hookers and make a decent competition of it, that'll automatically depower it and bring the height up to a sensible level because the hookers will need leg room.
It's an integral part of the union game in my opinion that if done properly is entertaining.
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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by Wayne Richardson Fan Club » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:38 am

The red card experiment should be for 2 technical yellows only for me, that seems a balance between discipline & spoiling the game, but running the clock down during yellows needs to be stopped likewise at Scrum time.
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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by johnthegriff » Fri Apr 16, 2021 10:48 am

I agree with much of whats been said previously about the scrum. In my opinion a return to the old rules of the scrum binding and engaging without the referees assistance and instruction would be better and probaly safer, the ball not put in until the scrum was steady and a side causing a delay of the put in penalised. Go back to the ball being put in straight and the hookers striking for the ball once it has hit the ground in the centre of the tunnel.
I do not agree with the Captains appeal, we have three officials on the pitch and a TMO watching, who do you appeal to and how likely are they to change their opinion. I wouldn't mind the addition of a try line judge although this might be just one more person to get in the way of the cameras.
Red Card for the player but a replacement after 20 minutes I can see some merit in, I do agree that in the case of very serious foul play there should be a stronger sanction and the offending team deprived of a man for the remainder of the game.
I do not like the under the post drop out, I think this will just result in enormously long kicks taking play back to the opposing 22, an attacking team penalised, in some cases just because the officials were unable to see a grounding. The drop out is in effect a free kick to the defending team when no offence has been committed.

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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by chewbacca » Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:49 pm

I have to agree with the dislike of instruction and coaching by the referee. Players are coached at their clubs. The referee can easily signify the unacceptability of a player's action by blowing his whistle and applying the appropriate sanction. Players would soon learn or if they failed to then be subbed I suspect.
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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by GETHIN EXILE » Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:38 pm

The way around the cricket style way of enquiring to generate an officials review is for the referee to ask "do you want to make a challenge, if not we just play on" "take this as a warning, the next time you are not happy with my decision if you don't make an official captain's challenge I will treat it as dissent"

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Re: Rainbow Cup trial rules

Post by ourla » Wed Apr 21, 2021 12:04 pm

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