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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by loretta » Wed Mar 24, 2021 10:56 pm

Wayne Richardson Fan Club wrote:
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Well I'm glad KVW will get a month to reflect on his, all too frequent, stupid decisions. The great shame is, if he'd made that tackle at chest/lower chest area, it could have been far more effective. Probable turn over in that position on the field. Maybe he should go and study the technique of Dave Lougheed.
Lougheed would of gone straight through the bloke.
Yep. Still can’t remember the name of the Richmond winger (a bit Italian sounding IIRC) who took a high ball half a second before Lougheed arrived. Perfectly legal tackle, delivered to the chest, with typical full lumberjack force. Poor bloke had to go for a lie down for the rest of the game.
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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by kk20gb30 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:00 am

The four week ban is not exactly out of the blue - we have to learn from this and adapt.The deterrent aspect of the ban must be noted.
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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by barnythebear » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:52 am

It might be either Spencer Brown or Dominic Chapman. Loretta 1997 season game away which I remember us loosing. I think Lockheed was a14 so Chapman as 11 is more likely. Hope this helps.

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Post by Noggs » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:02 am

The development of a quick saliva test for concussion is interesting. Depending on the level of sensitivity it may pick up a lot more incidents than the current HIA protocol.
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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by TigerFeetSteve » Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:07 am

Noggs wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:02 am
The development of a quick saliva test for concussion is interesting. Depending on the level of sensitivity it may pick up a lot more incidents than the current HIA protocol.
Certainly from my understanding current HIA's are along way short of the 94% claimed in the testing. Number who come back from a HIA only to be missing the following week due to delayed concussion symptoms is a LOT higher than 3 in 50. Plus you could swab all players at halftime, even if no impact has been seen and it can help reduce brain injuries etc it's a win win for the sport
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Post by barnythebear » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:18 am

My apologies Loretta it was the Tetley’s Cup Q/F lose to Richmond in 98/99 season. Now I’m struggling to find the name. The quest continues.

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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by barnythebear » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:31 am

Spencer Brown and Chapman are still listed as Richmonds main wingers in the 1998/9 season.

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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by BrightonTiger » Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:56 pm

I believe World Rugbys approach at the minute is just a cop out, wiping their hands of the whole issue and putting the blame back on the players.

"Well the Laws are in place, its the players fault that its happening they just don't learn".

Neuroscience has shown that it takes 6/10 ths of a second to have a conscious reaction. A lot of these head contacts are happening in split seconds where the player doesnt have time to process the information and react.

How many times do you see players instinctively stick out an arm to try to intercept the ball. Conscious thought is incredibly slow so most of the time they are acting on instinct.

Premeditated high tackles should be severely punished but punishing players for every head contact wont change a thing.

Concussion is an incredibly complex issue and they are trying to fix it with a sticking plaster.

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Post by Crofty » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:42 pm

BrightonTiger wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:56 pm
I believe World Rugbys approach at the minute is just a cop out, wiping their hands of the whole issue and putting the blame back on the players.

"Well the Laws are in place, its the players fault that its happening they just don't learn".

Neuroscience has shown that it takes 6/10 ths of a second to have a conscious reaction. A lot of these head contacts are happening in split seconds where the player doesnt have time to process the information and react.

How many times do you see players instinctively stick out an arm to try to intercept the ball. Conscious thought is incredibly slow so most of the time they are acting on instinct.

Premeditated high tackles should be severely punished but punishing players for every head contact wont change a thing.

Concussion is an incredibly complex issue and they are trying to fix it with a sticking plaster.
So what would you have World Rugby do that wouldn't be a cop out and that will help reduce the number of concussions in the game?
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Post by DeadlyDunc » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:09 pm

TigerFeetSteve wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:07 am
Noggs wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 9:02 am
The development of a quick saliva test for concussion is interesting. Depending on the level of sensitivity it may pick up a lot more incidents than the current HIA protocol.
Certainly from my understanding current HIA's are along way short of the 94% claimed in the testing. Number who come back from a HIA only to be missing the following week due to delayed concussion symptoms is a LOT higher than 3 in 50. Plus you could swab all players at halftime, even if no impact has been seen and it can help reduce brain injuries etc it's a win win for the sport
My worry is that it’ll find a lot more concussive impacts outside of what we already know and basically render the game unplayable.

By that I mean if the saliva test was used on all players at half time, how many forwards would pass? does that mean they all get subbed?

I know it may sound ridiculous but I do worry that the head impact of many tackles is greater than we currently think and the game will be irrevocably changed as a result.

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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by anz3001 » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:35 pm

BrightonTiger wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:56 pm
I believe World Rugbys approach at the minute is just a cop out, wiping their hands of the whole issue and putting the blame back on the players.

"Well the Laws are in place, its the players fault that its happening they just don't learn".

Neuroscience has shown that it takes 6/10 ths of a second to have a conscious reaction. A lot of these head contacts are happening in split seconds where the player doesnt have time to process the information and react.

How many times do you see players instinctively stick out an arm to try to intercept the ball. Conscious thought is incredibly slow so most of the time they are acting on instinct.

Premeditated high tackles should be severely punished but punishing players for every head contact wont change a thing.

Concussion is an incredibly complex issue and they are trying to fix it with a sticking plaster.
I think they’ll go hard this season, to make a point and instigate the change to style of play, but then ease off.

That appeared to be what happened with the high tackle a season or two ago. Loads were getting sent off, now not so many do and I believe that is two fold. The style of play changed to accommodate but there was also a significant relaxing of the decisions the season after.

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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by BrightonTiger » Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:41 am

Crofty wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:42 pm
BrightonTiger wrote:
Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:56 pm
I believe World Rugbys approach at the minute is just a cop out, wiping their hands of the whole issue and putting the blame back on the players.

"Well the Laws are in place, its the players fault that its happening they just don't learn".

Neuroscience has shown that it takes 6/10 ths of a second to have a conscious reaction. A lot of these head contacts are happening in split seconds where the player doesnt have time to process the information and react.

How many times do you see players instinctively stick out an arm to try to intercept the ball. Conscious thought is incredibly slow so most of the time they are acting on instinct.

Premeditated high tackles should be severely punished but punishing players for every head contact wont change a thing.

Concussion is an incredibly complex issue and they are trying to fix it with a sticking plaster.
So what would you have World Rugby do that wouldn't be a cop out and that will help reduce the number of concussions in the game?
I think the first thing they should do is admit that it is a definate link between playing Rugby and long term brain damage, which is what the ex players want.

Orher than that look at other sports perhaps. American football are stopping attackers lowering their heads when going into contact. This is to prevent huge forces going through the top of the head and down the spinal column.

Their is evidence that have full contact blows as a child could be a problem. Looking at neck strengthening.

To be honest I don't know. If I had the answers I would be making a fortune and not driving patients to hospital. But the current approach isnt working.

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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by Noggs » Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:57 am

Carreras has got 9 weeks for the eye contact which he admitted was intentional. I was a mid range offence with a starting point of 18 weeks reduced by 50% for the admission, contrition and good disciplinary record.
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Re: Injury/Suspensions List

Post by ourla » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:11 pm

Noggs wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:57 am
Carreras has got 9 weeks for the eye contact which he admitted was intentional.
My bold. And wow!

He's got some serious issues if he's deliberately trying to rip someone's eye out. If he was a Tigers played I'd hope to not see him in the shirt again.

I thought this was a thing long past... when was the last player to be found guilty of intentional eye gouging I wonder?
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Post by Tiglon » Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:40 pm

ourla wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:11 pm
Noggs wrote:
Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:57 am
Carreras has got 9 weeks for the eye contact which he admitted was intentional.
My bold. And wow!

He's got some serious issues if he's deliberately trying to rip someone's eye out. If he was a Tigers played I'd hope to not see him in the shirt again.

I thought this was a thing long past... when was the last player to be found guilty of intentional eye gouging I wonder?
The really crazy thing about it was there was absolutely no provocation that I could see. He just made a tackle then for no apparent reason decided to stick his fingers in the blokes eye - not just a silly reaction, he even looked around first to see if anyone was watching, had a think about it and then did it. Bizarre.

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