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Offside at a kick off

Post by Rod » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:59 am

I am continually annoyed by seemingly all referees who allow several players to run offside at a restart. Almost invariably the player making the tackle is the one most offside. It kills counter attacking. Hopefully it will be policed next season - written more in hope than expectation!

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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by chewbacca » Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:57 pm

Along with squint put-ins, stepping towards your side for a throw-in and forward passes not a prayer. All in the name of letting the game flow of course.
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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by Noggs » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:24 pm

If I had a £1 for every time ......
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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by BFG » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:32 pm

Noggs wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:24 pm
If I had a £1 for every time ......
They could perhaps use this in those outdated contracts. :smt005

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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by Noggs » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:35 pm

BFG wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:32 pm
Noggs wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:24 pm
If I had a £1 for every time ......
They could perhaps use this in those outdated contracts. :smt005
:smt023
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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by Ian Cant » Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:48 pm

Yes: lots of the games I’ve watched this season sees players offside, and by quite a few metres, but I’ve only seen Tigers( once) and Wasps ( once) pinged.

Hookers stepping a metre onto the pitch before throwing in also bugs me but Tom Young’s usually stays behind or on the line!!!

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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by jgriffin » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:34 am

I do get fed up with offside at kickoff, and in general. Badly policed all round. Squint put-ins? So many throws down the nearside channel through the locks feet as to be normal. The game is being let to ruin in the names of 'continuity' and 'entertainment'.
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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by ABClub » Wed Oct 21, 2020 10:29 am

Squint feeds and dodgy lineout tactics are even more frustrating given that properly enforcing them could solve some bigger issues.

The maul being such an unstoppable weapon now can be tedious but forcing hookers to stand in the centre of the lineout, behind the touchline and throw straight would likely lead to fewer throws to the tail which is where mauls are hardest to defend.

Packs getting heavier and heavier, notably with hookers becoming a third prop is an issue from a injury prevention perspective. If hookers actually had to hook they'd need to be more agile which usually means losing a few pounds. That brings players such as Thacker into the international frame more which would make the game a better one.

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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by teds » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:39 pm

Rod wrote:
Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:59 am
I am continually annoyed by seemingly all referees who allow several players to run offside at a restart. Almost invariably the player making the tackle is the one most offside. It kills counter attacking. Hopefully it will be policed next season - written more in hope than expectation!
Totally with you on this one Rod. It’s especially annoying because it’s easy to spot. You can probably buy software that spots in for you.

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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by Big Dai » Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:44 pm

jgriffin wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:34 am
I do get fed up with offside at kickoff, and in general. Badly policed all round. Squint put-ins? So many throws down the nearside channel through the locks feet as to be normal. The game is being let to ruin in the names of 'continuity' and 'entertainment'.
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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by Robespierre » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:45 pm

Big Dai wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 5:44 pm
jgriffin wrote:
Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:34 am
I do get fed up with offside at kickoff, and in general. Badly policed all round. Squint put-ins? So many throws down the nearside channel through the locks feet as to be normal. The game is being let to ruin in the names of 'continuity' and 'entertainment'.
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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by LE18 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:01 pm

Box Kicks too, runners are nearly always in front of the kicker.

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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by johnthegriff » Thu Oct 22, 2020 9:51 am

I remember a couple of seasons back in the same match at the Ricoh when Spencer got a red card, a Wasps kick off to deep in our twenty two near touch Nathan Hughes who with others had been at least two yards offside at the kick completely nailed our receiver (Adam Thompstone I think), leading to a Wasp's try. The referee was informed about the offside and instead of reviewing just said he would watch out for it next time. Referees are spoiling so many games by deliberately ignoring some basic rules most of the time, offsides, forward passes, crooked feeds, Hookers feet infield at the lineout then they get really pedantic at try times with slo-mo television detecting breaks in contact with the ball not visible to the naked eye.

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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by mol2 » Thu Oct 22, 2020 4:51 pm

Couldn't agree more.

Perhaps we could have a "Hawkeye" equivalent in the premiership? The players have transponders in their shirts for flagging up high impacts that might merit HIAs. Wouldn't think it that difficult to do for kick offs. If the player's transponder was in front of the line at the moment of impact -penalty. Harder for rucks as tech won't know if the ball is out.

Simple enough for forward passes too. Would get rid of which way was the arm pointing twaddle and whether it was clearly forwards or not. I may well scream if I hear another ref mention momentum! The basic premice of rugby is that the ball can only have forward momentum whilst being carried or kicked forwards. Everything else is just a silly excuse for allowing forward passes.

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Re: Offside at a kick off

Post by chewbacca » Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:42 pm

Agreed. If the ball is taken in advance of whence it came its forward. Momentum humbug.
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