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Re: Positives going forward

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Cagey Tiger wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:43 am
Crofty wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:12 am
Cagey Tiger wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:59 am
My bold.

If you had said 'limited' or something similar instead of zero, I would agree with you, but there has been some improvement in a number of areas (just re-read this thread). However, it has not been sufficient to make a difference to whether we win or lose, just (generally) the margin of defeat has been narrower.
Lose by 8 or lose by 28 makes no material difference to the league points unless you score 4 tries, which we haven't done in a long time now.
But going from losing by 28 to losing by 8 would seem to indicate an improvement. And if the improvement continues, and we lose by 7 or less, that would make a material difference to league points (something that you excluded by your choice of 8, not deliberately, I'm sure :smt002) or, heaven forbid, we might start winning some that previously we would have lost. We were only below LI by 5 (bonus) points. Yes, that's only one place, but we aren't going to go from relegation contenders to play-off contenders in a week.
It was deliberate because it was my point, I didn't say we hadn't improved I said there was no evidence of material improvement, i.e. sufficient improvement to avoid a second relegation, and unless someone other than Sarries have been very naughty boys next time relegation will actually mean a year (or more) in the championship.
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Re: Positives going forward

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As a seasoned teacher and former Chief Examiner for a national exam board, I'd suggest we hold off assessment until we are into the real thing - performance in inconsequential circumstances bears only some relation to performance when crunch time looms.
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Re: Positives going forward

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Crofty wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:01 am
Cagey Tiger wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:43 am
Crofty wrote: Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:12 am

Lose by 8 or lose by 28 makes no material difference to the league points unless you score 4 tries, which we haven't done in a long time now.
But going from losing by 28 to losing by 8 would seem to indicate an improvement. And if the improvement continues, and we lose by 7 or less, that would make a material difference to league points (something that you excluded by your choice of 8, not deliberately, I'm sure :smt002) or, heaven forbid, we might start winning some that previously we would have lost. We were only below LI by 5 (bonus) points. Yes, that's only one place, but we aren't going to go from relegation contenders to play-off contenders in a week.
It was deliberate because it was my point, I didn't say we hadn't improved I said there was no evidence of material improvement, i.e. sufficient improvement to avoid a second relegation, and unless someone other than Sarries have been very naughty boys next time relegation will actually mean a year (or more) in the championship.
"no evidence of material improvement...". Which is the sentiment that I disagreed with in the first place. I think that we will have to agree to disagree on this and wait for the future to unfold.
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Re: Positives going forward

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So last season we stayed up due to our own results and no help scoring 47 tries while conceding 81 with 5 TBP and 8 LBP with a PD of -154 while this season Sarries kept us up and we scored 35 tries while conceding 79 with 1 TBP and 2 LBP with a PD of -235 yet apparently we’ve improved? 🙈
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Re: Positives going forward

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Scott1 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:03 pm So last season we stayed up due to our own results and no help scoring 47 tries while conceding 81 with 5 TBP and 8 LBP with a PD of -154 while this season Sarries kept us up and we scored 35 tries while conceding 79 with 1 TBP and 2 LBP with a PD of -235 yet apparently we’ve improved? 🙈
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Re: Positives going forward

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Scott1 wrote: Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:03 pm So last season we stayed up due to our own results and no help scoring 47 tries while conceding 81 with 5 TBP and 8 LBP with a PD of -154 while this season Sarries kept us up and we scored 35 tries while conceding 79 with 1 TBP and 2 LBP with a PD of -235 yet apparently we’ve improved? 🙈
If you want to select your own comparison period, rather than the one under discussion, that's up to you, but makes it irrelevant to my comment.
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