He doesn’t need to say he’s the best coach he’s ever been coached by though. If he was being diplomatic, he’d just say he’s a very good coach.BigDan50 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:57 am Ellis is hardly going to say anything else about an England coach if he wants to keep his place in the squad, I’m sure a lot of Tigers players will say the the same when he starts his coaching duties with us as they will want to keep him onside.
Let’s wait and see if there is any improvement in our results with Borthwicks training, hopefully the only way is up after the last couple of years of Murphys tenure.
Steve Borthwick
Moderators: Tigerbeat, Rizzo, Tigers Press Office, Tigers Webmaster
-
- Silver Member
- Posts: 638
- Joined: Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:04 pm
Re: Steve Borthwick
Re: Steve Borthwick
Our Gengey - diplomatic?
Formerly of Burbaaage (not Inkleh), now up north at uni
-
- Super User
- Posts: 4109
- Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:13 am
Re: Steve Borthwick
It was a private conversation and I'm neither a journalist nor someone with 'influence' - and Ellis tends to say what he means and means what he says! I think we can take it at face value!BigDan50 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:57 am Ellis is hardly going to say anything else about an England coach if he wants to keep his place in the squad, I’m sure a lot of Tigers players will say the the same when he starts his coaching duties with us as they will want to keep him onside.
Let’s wait and see if there is any improvement in our results with Borthwicks training, hopefully the only way is up after the last couple of years of Murphys tenure.
Happy days clearing straw from the pitch before the Baa-Baas games! KBO
Wear a Mask>Protect The NHS>Save Lives
Wear a Mask>Protect The NHS>Save Lives
Re: Steve Borthwick
Just to be fair, is it accurate to say Murphy’s tenure is two years? He was promoted up at short notice to start as head coach In Sept 2018, when MOC ran away, and then has a season fire-fighting before a pre-season with the core of his first choice team missing at the 2019 World Cup, and just half a season of games before Covid struck. At best it’s a disrupted season and a half.
-
- Super User
- Posts: 2304
- Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:27 pm
- Location: South Lincolnshire
Re: Steve Borthwick
+1teds wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:44 pmJust to be fair, is it accurate to say Murphy’s tenure is two years? He was promoted up at short notice to start as head coach In Sept 2018, when MOC ran away, and then has a season fire-fighting before a pre-season with the core of his first choice team missing at the 2019 World Cup, and just half a season of games before Covid struck. At best it’s a disrupted season and a half.
Re: Steve Borthwick
1 year 9 months 28 days, to be completely accurate.
-
- Super User
- Posts: 2304
- Joined: Thu Oct 06, 2005 2:27 pm
- Location: South Lincolnshire
Re: Steve Borthwick
Until end of June - which I believe is when he is Head Coach until.
It's completely reasonable to argue that the last few months of that don't really count for obvious reasons, but I'm not convinced it matters whether it's been a bad 1 year 9 months or a bad 1 year 6 months. The future looks brighter and I am optimistic Murphy will be a very good DoR.
It's completely reasonable to argue that the last few months of that don't really count for obvious reasons, but I'm not convinced it matters whether it's been a bad 1 year 9 months or a bad 1 year 6 months. The future looks brighter and I am optimistic Murphy will be a very good DoR.
-
- Super User
- Posts: 2887
- Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:01 pm
- Location: Over The Hills & Far Away
Re: Steve Borthwick
Believe the mood of and around The Club has been lifted.Ironic if this period should see the beginning of the renascence for which everyone associated with Leicester Tigers has been searching but strength can come from adversity.Momentum and confidence are key ingredients to success and if you look at what we have on paper (a shame the sport is not played there) we should fear no other club or team.
Seemingly heading rapidly toward senility .....Not long or far to go now , in fact, getting worse daily.....
-
- Super User
- Posts: 2887
- Joined: Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:01 pm
- Location: Over The Hills & Far Away
Re: Steve Borthwick
...but hopefully not for a long time yet , and only after restoring our fortunes :
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/eddie-jo ... borthwick/
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/eddie-jo ... borthwick/
Seemingly heading rapidly toward senility .....Not long or far to go now , in fact, getting worse daily.....
-
- Top Cat
- Posts: 86
- Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:06 pm
- Location: Newport
Re: Steve Borthwick
Thank you Ourla, i certainly didn't mean it to be negative i was merely asking the question out of interest. It goes without saying that i wish Steve all the best otherwise i wouldn't be wasting my time on this forum. Perhaps i should have asked the question "Was Mark Bakewell a bad coach or were his players not up to the job?"ourla wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:45 pmI read it differently. Didn't see at as particularly negative.Mark62 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 10:39 amInteresting that with all the positive comments re Borthwick and the fact that he is a genuine world class coach, some still see the need to find a negative. I know this is driven by the state the team is in prior to his arrival, but I do find it a little disappointingnewport tiger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:00 pm I think the mood has lifted and there is even a bit of optimism in some quarters regarding the coaching set up. I remember when Mark Bakewell was appointed as the forwards coach a certain Steve Borthwick was quoted as saying "He is the best forwards coach i have ever worked with". Given that, its probably fair to assume he will be using similar techniques so are we going to see any big changes? Its probably more down to the players ability than the coach so i guess its a case of watch this space.
I think if Borthwick had been brought in as a forwards coach at the same time as Bakewell was and worked under the same regime with the same players I am not sure the result would have been much different. A lot of things are different now and of course Borthwick is coming in as a Head Coach and is much younger. So I don't think it makes sense to compare or think in this way.
-
- Top Cat
- Posts: 86
- Joined: Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:06 pm
- Location: Newport
Re: Steve Borthwick
So when Bakewell signs everybody uses this quote to suggest how good he is and now all of a sudden we have to distance ourselves from it. The truth is probably somewhere in between Bakewell is a decent coach but the personnel we had didn't have the heart for the fight. With all professional sport these days coaches/managers take the fall whilst players remain unaccountable!sk 88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:04 pmA bit of research suggests that quote was from when Bakewell left Bath in 2009. Therefore I don't agree that it is "probably fair to assume he will be using similar techniques".newport tiger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:00 pm I think the mood has lifted and there is even a bit of optimism in some quarters regarding the coaching set up. I remember when Mark Bakewell was appointed as the forwards coach a certain Steve Borthwick was quoted as saying "He is the best forwards coach i have ever worked with". Given that, its probably fair to assume he will be using similar techniques so are we going to see any big changes? Its probably more down to the players ability than the coach so i guess its a case of watch this space.
Re: Steve Borthwick
While the truth is nearly always somewhere between the extremes, it seems fairly clear the players don’t remain unaccountable. If anything, I think Murphy has reminded everyone that no-one is bigger than the club. Senior players were amongst the first to take a pay cut or leave.newport tiger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:39 amSo when Bakewell signs everybody uses this quote to suggest how good he is and now all of a sudden we have to distance ourselves from it. The truth is probably somewhere in between Bakewell is a decent coach but the personnel we had didn't have the heart for the fight. With all professional sport these days coaches/managers take the fall whilst players remain unaccountable!sk 88 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:04 pmA bit of research suggests that quote was from when Bakewell left Bath in 2009. Therefore I don't agree that it is "probably fair to assume he will be using similar techniques".newport tiger wrote: ↑Tue Jun 02, 2020 5:00 pm I think the mood has lifted and there is even a bit of optimism in some quarters regarding the coaching set up. I remember when Mark Bakewell was appointed as the forwards coach a certain Steve Borthwick was quoted as saying "He is the best forwards coach i have ever worked with". Given that, its probably fair to assume he will be using similar techniques so are we going to see any big changes? Its probably more down to the players ability than the coach so i guess its a case of watch this space.
I am cautiously optimistic if the 19-20 season renews we won’t end up in 11th, and the following season 20-21 we should end up least mid-table - above Quins, Irish, Wasps and Worcester.
Re: Steve Borthwick
There would have been little ppoint (or likelihood) of Borthwick having come in as forwards coach.
His next step from England was always going to be as head coach and in reality he has more top level coaching experience than the DOR.
His next step from England was always going to be as head coach and in reality he has more top level coaching experience than the DOR.
-
- Gold Member
- Posts: 896
- Joined: Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:56 am
Re: Steve Borthwick
If and only If SB does a remarkable job over the next two seasons, does he jump into EJ shoes in 2023?
Then Tigers are back to the drawing board.
How long has SB signed up for?
I know sport is fickle and only a few are in it for the long (ish) haul and that any one involved as in all walks of life move on.
But I thought Tigers had a mid to long term plan to get us back to the top ? So how does that work?
Seems to be even more questions than answers- don't you think?
Then Tigers are back to the drawing board.
How long has SB signed up for?
I know sport is fickle and only a few are in it for the long (ish) haul and that any one involved as in all walks of life move on.
But I thought Tigers had a mid to long term plan to get us back to the top ? So how does that work?
Seems to be even more questions than answers- don't you think?