Murphy coaches and relegation

[POSTIGER]

Geordan is the worst coach we've ever had. His position is surely untenable now?

Today was an utter disgrace.

[sam16111986]

We have experienced coaches in place, it's not like there's a bunch of new coaches running the team.

They're really, really bad though, it's not knee jerk if the person getting heaved can't function in their role.

I'm not denying that we may need to make a change in saying that firing Murphy and possibly some of his coaches right away makes no sense if we don't have a plan of how to replace them. This isn't football as we've seen in prior seasons sacking the coach mid season doesn't automatically create a bounce back situation where we start winning games.

We need to decide our direction and then make the necessary movements in personnel. Otherwise what? We sack Murphy and then Ford steps up? He's our attack coach and our attack has been mediocre at best. We sack Murphy and Ford and then who becomes head coach in the short term? How will that fix anything?

Decide our priorities, draw up a shortlist and then discuss availability. If Borthwick won't join until after the 6N then take him off the list. Currently we have little to build upon so we need to get the appointment right.

[Baz]

Never believed GM was up to the job. The management does not seem motivated to take the necessary action, to bring in someone of class. My deepest concern is, that when some of our top player's contracts are up for renewal, they'll walk!

[Yorkshire man]

The steady decline has been going on since Cockers left. I am not one for constantly changing coaches but I am afraid the time has come. This afternoons performance was an embarrassment. With the exception of the scrum which was adequate but no better then that everything else was pathetic with child like mistakes piled one on top of the other. Missed kicks to touch, forward passes, box kicks straight into touch, and please do not start me on the lineout, it was shocking. At half time I felt like throwing it on and not watching the second half at all. The problem is this is not a one off. We turn out a team with eight players recently returned from the world cup, and a team that has generally been around the club for a number of years, and they look as though they don't know each other, and certainly have never trained together. Something has to be done to bring change before it is too late, and if the matter is not addressed now, it will be too late.

[Jimmy Skitz]

I wonder if Ben Kay will take time out from goofing around on TV long enough to help come up with a plan if there isn't one

[sam16111986]

The steady decline has been going on since Cockers left.

No the steady decline started whilst Cockers was still here. The decline was exacerbated after he left by the truly moronic decision to appoint Matt O'Connor a man who virtually destroyed every structure at the club. The massively optimistic appointment of Murphy helped nothing at all.

[Turnaroundspecialist]

Agreed

[Dr H Flashman MBE]

I had to pop into the Rec on Friday midday for work. I had a chat to one of their management, not playing i will add but for the stadium, security and other staff. He asked if I was worried about relegation, I told him most Tigers fans are. I said Sarries cheating won’t save us. I mentioned Borthwick, and he seemed sure he was coming to us. There was no surprise in his answer. Finally and most telling, when we chatted about Murphy and Hopper both being club legends, he said something quite telling. “You sack your coaches and it takes a good 3 to 6 months for a new manager to get their systems for defence and attack in place. It’s not football, it’s far more intricate than that”...food for thought.

[Jimmy Skitz]

I had to pop into the Rec on Friday midday for work. I had a chat to one of their management, not playing i will add but for the stadium, security and other staff. He asked if I was worried about relegation, I told him most Tigers fans are. I said Sarries cheating won’t save us. I mentioned Borthwick, and he seemed sure he was coming to us. There was no surprise in his answer. Finally and most telling, when we chatted about Murphy and Hopper both being club legends, he said something quite telling. “You sack your coaches and it takes a good 3 to 6 months for a new manager to get their systems for defence and attack in place. It’s not football, it’s far more intricate than that”...food for thought.

I'd settle for the basics, they are clearly lacking right now, or we can wait and allow the new man to implement them properly before a promotion campaign

[jgriffin]

The steady decline has been going on since Cockers left.

No the steady decline started whilst Cockers was still here. The decline was exacerbated after he left by the truly moronic decision to appoint Matt O'Connor a man who virtually destroyed every structure at the club. The massively optimistic appointment of Murphy helped nothing at all.

The decline started when the oldskool players left/retired (like Toby Flood who played what was in front of him, sod the playbook) and the inadequacy of MOC contributed by neglecting the emerging players (a reputation he enhanced subsequently) and being a :censored: defence/attack coach. Cockers admitted he needed new coaching input, but the Board wouldn't stump up for either new blood or quality players. Then player power blossomed under Mauger - another inadequate coach - and the decline accelerated. This current situation cries out for a powerful Head Coach and then a wholesale removal of the current coaching team (bar Boris).

[rdracup]

The steady decline has been going on since Cockers left.

No the steady decline started whilst Cockers was still here. The decline was exacerbated after he left by the truly moronic decision to appoint Matt O'Connor a man who virtually destroyed every structure at the club. The massively optimistic appointment of Murphy helped nothing at all.

Agree. It may take sometime to turn the ship round but it has to start now. Sad for GM but no other option. He has to go.

[sapajo]

I wonder if Ben Kay will take time out from goofing around on TV long enough to help come up with a plan if there isn't one

He is part of the problem not the solution. Just another Ex Tiger with a job for life.

[Jimmy Skitz]

I wonder if Ben Kay will take time out from goofing around on TV long enough to help come up with a plan if there isn't one

He is part of the problem not the solution. Just another Ex Tiger with a job for life.

my point was he is one of the "rugby people" on the board, though to be fair for all we know he advised against appointing MOC and Geordan and was ignored

[Crofty]

“You sack your coaches and it takes a good 3 to 6 months for a new manager to get their systems for defence and attack in place. It’s not football, it’s far more intricate than that”...food for thought.

So best case scenario we get a new coaching set up in now and give them a fair tilt at immediate promotion back into the Premiership otherwise the first half of next season will be hamstrung and we'll be losing in Rotherham, Doncaster and Jersey...

[sam16111986]

The steady decline has been going on since Cockers left.

No the steady decline started whilst Cockers was still here. The decline was exacerbated after he left by the truly moronic decision to appoint Matt O'Connor a man who virtually destroyed every structure at the club. The massively optimistic appointment of Murphy helped nothing at all.

The decline started when the oldskool players left/retired (like Toby Flood who played what was in front of him, sod the playbook) and the inadequacy of MOC contributed by neglecting the emerging players (a reputation he enhanced subsequently) and being a defence/attack coach. Cockers admitted he needed new coaching input, but the Board wouldn't stump up for either new blood or quality players. Then player power blossomed under Mauger - another inadequate coach - and the decline accelerated. This current situation cries out for a powerful Head Coach and then a wholesale removal of the current coaching team (bar Boris).

Cockers was a great coach for Saturday, he was not a great director of rugby because he struggled to see past the game on Saturday. Hence why we constantly needed to purchase players and why we kept bringing in average players on short term contracts. His major failing was that he couldn't develop a pathway from the academy to the first team. Murphy on the other hand did that but can't get the coaching for Saturday bit right.

Cockers was given a selection of options as head coaches. The issue was he wouldn't take a hands off approach so any head coach we hired had to be one happy not being in complete control. Cockers needed to be moved back down to head coach and a DOR with real vision brought in above him.