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Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by jgriffin » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:18 pm

http://tinyurl.com/y5pb29ne

Absolutely awful, and adds weight to those who criticise some of the (earlier) national level approach to training.
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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by Scott1 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:57 pm

I'm really struggling to link the header question to his story! 🤔
I'm super stoked he's now okay though!

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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by jgriffin » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:51 pm

Scott1 wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:57 pm
I'm really struggling to link the header question to his story! 🤔
I'm super stoked he's now okay though!
One for the people who criticise players for lack of moral fibre, effort etc etc. I hate wilful nasty and inaccurate criticism.
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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by BFG » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:26 pm

I can't imagine what it's like to actually be in the thick of it now.
The game is near unrecognisable to me when I think back.
I recall my 15 year old being told that he needed to eat 5000 calories a day by a representitive coach.
Yes I did react!
The pressure from those in responsible positions is immense and they don't care about the consequences for the individual.

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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by strawclearer » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:32 pm

BFG wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:26 pm
I can't imagine what it's like to actually be in the thick of it now.
The game is near unrecognisable to me when I think back.
I recall my 15 year old being told that he needed to eat 5000 calories a day by a representitive coach.
Yes I did react!
The pressure from those in responsible positions is immense and they don't care about the consequences for the individual.
It's topical with the injury to Steve Smith to talk of HIA protocols in cricket and maybe the cricket world can learn something from rugby.

However, when I was a cricket coach, we were very minded to look after the young, developing bodies of our charges. Strict limits on the numbers of overs bowled, for example, as well as their proximity to danger ie fielding too close to the bat.
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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by BFG » Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:13 pm

strawclearer wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:32 pm
BFG wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:26 pm
I can't imagine what it's like to actually be in the thick of it now.
The game is near unrecognisable to me when I think back.
I recall my 15 year old being told that he needed to eat 5000 calories a day by a representitive coach.
Yes I did react!
The pressure from those in responsible positions is immense and they don't care about the consequences for the individual.
It's topical with the injury to Steve Smith to talk of HIA protocols in cricket and maybe the cricket world can learn something from rugby.

However, when I was a cricket coach, we were very minded to look after the young, developing bodies of our charges. Strict limits on the numbers of overs bowled, for example, as well as their proximity to danger ie fielding too close to the bat.
I came across some excellent youth coaches in rugby and unfortunately some poor coaches.
The difficulty I witnessed was that the good coaches were such nice genuine people that they were often vulnerable to being rounded upon and basically bullied out of taking up influential positions.

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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by JP14 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:20 am

BFG wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:26 pm
I can't imagine what it's like to actually be in the thick of it now.
The game is near unrecognisable to me when I think back.
I recall my 15 year old being told that he needed to eat 5000 calories a day by a representitive coach.
Yes I did react!
The pressure from those in responsible positions is immense and they don't care about the consequences for the individual.
I could eat 6000 calories a day and it wouldn’t make a difference to my weight! Tigers DPP still needs a lot of sorting out as does the County, but the Academy is ok now.
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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by TigerBoy1880 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:21 am

I don’t know how many calories I have a day, how many I “should” have a day and what foods are the “right” things to eat. I eat what I like when I like but if I was a teenager again and had my time in the academy again, if I was given a strict diet to follow, I’d follow it. After all, you have to make sacrifices in professional sport and life in general.

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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by wellstiger » Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:25 am

Professional sports persons and to a large extent amatuer sports persons, now have their lives Micro managed to get the ultimate performances through out their respective seasons.
Sadly this pressure is taking it toll not only physically but mentally.

The days when I was a National coach have long gone. We were not so blinkered . Our concern was more about drug testing and who would be inclined to breach by taking Cold and Flu remedies. Inclined to make training less pressure and more enjoyable by team building. Enjoyment of the sport.

Performance enhancing has now started to take its toll. Too much time in weight rooms and Calorie counting. Micro managing.
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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by strawclearer » Tue Aug 20, 2019 11:58 am

At the start of every season, I would gather the parents of our latest intake of 8/9 year olds together and tell them that, as Coaches, our focus would be on S E X*.

S = Safety. We'd take every possible step to ensure we sent them home in one piece because, if we didn't, the parents wouldn't let them come again!

E = Enjoyment. If it wasn't great fun, the kids would vote with their feet.

X = Excellence. We would put our excellent best into each session and we expected each child to reach for their very best too.

(*Not sure I'd put it quite like this in the current climate!)
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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by biffer » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:33 pm

So who was England u18 coach when he was involved?

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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by BFG » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:44 pm

JP14 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:20 am
BFG wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:26 pm
I can't imagine what it's like to actually be in the thick of it now.
The game is near unrecognisable to me when I think back.
I recall my 15 year old being told that he needed to eat 5000 calories a day by a representitive coach.
Yes I did react!
The pressure from those in responsible positions is immense and they don't care about the consequences for the individual.
I could eat 6000 calories a day and it wouldn’t make a difference to my weight! Tigers DPP still needs a lot of sorting out as does the County, but the Academy is ok now.
See right there as a young lad yourself you absolutely shouldn't give a hoot about counting calories relating to rugby.
I didn't, I was too busy enjoying myself.
Youngsters aren't being allowed to be youngsters but being encouraged to try and beat nature and that has to continue to be managed all through professional adult life.
I'm not surprised that the academy is straightening out, my son came across Wilks a few years ago up North and he gave more good simple advice in five minutes than others did in five years.

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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by BFG » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:15 pm

TigerBoy1880 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:21 am
I don’t know how many calories I have a day, how many I “should” have a day and what foods are the “right” things to eat. I eat what I like when I like but if I was a teenager again and had my time in the academy again, if I was given a strict diet to follow, I’d follow it. After all, you have to make sacrifices in professional sport and life in general.
It sounds easy when you put it like that but at what time in a professional sportspersons life are they allowed to fully relax!
That's before it's even considered that a demanding sport like rugby does require a quick turnaround in recovery and the pressure is much greater.
You have to eat X amount of calories and at X times during the day, several times each day, every day of every week.
In bed at X and up at X.
In the gym at X and on the training pitch at X.
On the coach at X and on the plane at X managed alongside eating and sleeping at X.
Then you've got knocks and injuries, media demands and match days etc.
Start that at 15/16 years old and are still doing it at 27 years old.
It doesn't sound so easy.
Meanwhile normal life is going on around you.

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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by strawclearer » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:21 pm

BFG wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:15 pm
TigerBoy1880 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:21 am
I don’t know how many calories I have a day, how many I “should” have a day and what foods are the “right” things to eat. I eat what I like when I like but if I was a teenager again and had my time in the academy again, if I was given a strict diet to follow, I’d follow it. After all, you have to make sacrifices in professional sport and life in general.
It sounds easy when you put it like that but at what time in a professional sportspersons life are they allowed to fully relax!
That's before it's even considered that a demanding sport like rugby does require a quick turnaround in recovery and the pressure is much greater.
You have to eat X amount of calories and at X times during the day, several times each day, every day of every week.
In bed at X and up at X.
In the gym at X and on the training pitch at X.
On the coach at X and on the plane at X managed alongside eating and sleeping at X.
Then you've got knocks and injuries, media demands and match days etc.
Start that at 15/16 years old and are still doing it at 27 years old.
It doesn't sound so easy.
Meanwhile normal life is going on around you.
I have to say that if you swap 'sportsperson' with 'business person', the similarities are more striking than the differences!
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Re: Food for thought for the keyboard warriors?

Post by BFG » Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:27 pm

strawclearer wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:21 pm
BFG wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 1:15 pm
TigerBoy1880 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:21 am
I don’t know how many calories I have a day, how many I “should” have a day and what foods are the “right” things to eat. I eat what I like when I like but if I was a teenager again and had my time in the academy again, if I was given a strict diet to follow, I’d follow it. After all, you have to make sacrifices in professional sport and life in general.
It sounds easy when you put it like that but at what time in a professional sportspersons life are they allowed to fully relax!
That's before it's even considered that a demanding sport like rugby does require a quick turnaround in recovery and the pressure is much greater.
You have to eat X amount of calories and at X times during the day, several times each day, every day of every week.
In bed at X and up at X.
In the gym at X and on the training pitch at X.
On the coach at X and on the plane at X managed alongside eating and sleeping at X.
Then you've got knocks and injuries, media demands and match days etc.
Start that at 15/16 years old and are still doing it at 27 years old.
It doesn't sound so easy.
Meanwhile normal life is going on around you.
I have to say that if you swap 'sportsperson' with 'business person', the similarities are more striking than the differences!
Apart from the fact that rugby players now regularly beat eachother up (size+collision) and start their week already in pieces!

We wouldn't expect a UFC fighter to prepare to fight once week for forty weeks of the year and I'd give it two weeks for the $**¥ to really hit the fan were it the case, but for some reason it's expected of pro rugby players without issue and oddly seen as a great privilege by folk who have never even done it!

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