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Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by fleabane » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:10 pm

Concern over signing Paddy Jackson. Cash Converters have already withdrawn sponsorship, maybe Guinness next?

https://extra.ie/2019/06/10/blind/now-g ... irish-move
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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by jgriffin » Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:24 pm

fleabane wrote:
Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:10 pm
Concern over signing Paddy Jackson. Cash Converters have already withdrawn sponsorship, maybe Guinness next?

https://extra.ie/2019/06/10/blind/now-g ... irish-move
It has been far more of an issue in Ireland than some comments on here in the past have suggested.
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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by kk20gb30 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:06 am

The only surprise is how long this reaction has taken, believe more to come.

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by Baz » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:11 am

So, being cleared in court means nothing? Trial by media is all?

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by chewbacca » Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:46 am

Baz wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:11 am
So, being cleared in court means nothing? Trial by media is all?
He was indeed found not guilty of the charges, however a sponsor may decide that his behaviour and values as indicated by the social media messages disclosed is not compatible with their standards and then choose to withdraw sponsorship. That is their right.
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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by Baz » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:02 am

"...............choose to withdraw sponsorship. That is their right."

Of course it is their right, but this is symptomatic of modern society; all that is needed nowadays to ruin someone's reputation is a media indictment. Being tested in a court of law no longer means anything. You have said it yourself "as indicated by the social media messages"! Sponsors ought to show a little more respect for due process.

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:24 am

Oh not another thread like this.

Yes he was found not guilty, whilst some have commented the finding somewhat dubious, yes his name was cleared.

During the investigation the WhatsApp messages between the group of players were released. This is what I don’t get, the court has made its verdict, yet everyone is entitled to look at the evidence and come up with their own opinion as we don’t live in a draconian society.

Therefore, myself just like the sponsors, can look at the evidence and say that player doesn’t match the clubs or the sponsors morale standards. I don’t understand why people think that as the court as ruled on the case, that’s it dead and buried and no one else is allowed an opinion.

Thankfully sponsors are pulling out. I for one wouldn’t want him playing for our club. Sponsors ought to show more respect to due process is literal rubbish. Everyone is allowed to make their own judgement.

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by fleabane » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:21 am

^^yes.
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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by CitizenSmiff » Wed Jun 12, 2019 11:25 am

Leicestertinytiger wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:24 am
Oh not another thread like this.

Yes he was found not guilty, whilst some have commented the finding somewhat dubious, yes his name was cleared.

During the investigation the WhatsApp messages between the group of players were released. This is what I don’t get, the court has made its verdict, yet everyone is entitled to look at the evidence and come up with their own opinion as we don’t live in a draconian society.

Therefore, myself just like the sponsors, can look at the evidence and say that player doesn’t match the clubs or the sponsors morale standards. I don’t understand why people think that as the court as ruled on the case, that’s it dead and buried and no one else is allowed an opinion.

Thankfully sponsors are pulling out. I for one wouldn’t want him playing for our club. Sponsors ought to show more respect to due process is literal rubbish. Everyone is allowed to make their own judgement.
+1. Sponsors have to sell things to everybody not just pockets of laddish rugby fans in Reading.

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by Dangerous4 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:30 pm

London Irish have made one hell of a mistake, bringing in Jackson,,imo.

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by RagingBull » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:30 pm

surprised more not being said about Sean O'brien off-field activities.

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:38 pm

RagingBull wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:30 pm
surprised more not being said about Sean O'brien off-field activities.
Especially given the guy was unconscious.....

Seems a great party, plus Stan Wright knocking out one of their academy players too! :smt009

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by kornboy130 » Wed Jun 12, 2019 6:12 pm

Baz wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:02 am
"...............choose to withdraw sponsorship. That is their right."

Of course it is their right, but this is symptomatic of modern society; all that is needed nowadays to ruin someone's reputation is a media indictment. Being tested in a court of law no longer means anything. You have said it yourself "as indicated by the social media messages"! Sponsors ought to show a little more respect for due process.
Are you honestly suggesting that you have an issue with a sponsor pulling their support given what was said in those whatsapp groups?

Let's divorce this from the trial entirely. What was said in those groups is not going to sit well with many sponsors.

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by Cagey Tiger » Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:26 pm

Baz wrote:
Wed Jun 12, 2019 10:02 am
"...............choose to withdraw sponsorship. That is their right."

Of course it is their right, but this is symptomatic of modern society; all that is needed nowadays to ruin someone's reputation is a media indictment. Being tested in a court of law no longer means anything. You have said it yourself "as indicated by the social media messages"! Sponsors ought to show a little more respect for due process.
While I agree with you that "all that is needed nowadays to ruin someone's reputation is a media indictment", this is NOT a media indictment. The social media (and text) messages were from the players themselves. Yes, they were cleared of the criminal charges of rape and sexual assault, but their attitudes and behaviour as shown in their messages is what the sponsors are looking at and finding not to their liking.

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Re: Guinness threat to London Irish

Post by Scuttle » Thu Jun 13, 2019 6:55 pm

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