2019 World U20s
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The flip was very stupid but on first viewing it didn’t look premeditated.
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De Glanville is awful quite frankly, was his dad even that good in the first place?
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Honestly this England U20's team is pretty bad, but then again I guess that's what happens when you sack your 2 most successful U20's coaches and mostly pick a team based on their last names
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- Rus Tuima - Younger sibling of England’s women international Lagi (who is pretty darn good to be fair)
- Tom de Glanville - Son of Phil de Glanville, who was Sir Clive’s first captain of England
- Ollie Sleightholme - Son of former Saints winger
- Cameron Redpath - Former U18 Scottish international, son of Bryan Redpath
- Phil Cokanasiga - Brother of Big Joe, cousin of Tuima, also related to Akapusi
- Manu Vunipola - Cousin of Billy and Mako
Anymore?
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Luke James, Tom Willis and Sam Maunder all have older brothers that have represented England (actually not sure on Jack Willis he might have missed out due to injury has certainly been in an England touring squad).JP14 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:31 pm
- Rus Tuima - Younger sibling of England’s women international Lagi (who is pretty darn good to be fair)
- Tom de Glanville - Son of Phil de Glanville, who was Sir Clive’s first captain of England
- Ollie Sleightholme - Son of former Saints winger
- Cameron Redpath - Former U18 Scottish international, son of Bryan Redpath
- Phil Cokanasiga - Brother of Big Joe, cousin of Tuima, also related to Akapusi
- Manu Vunipola - Cousin of Billy and Mako
Anymore?
Really Luke's brother Sam should have a lot more than his solitary cap. Criminally underrated player by the England management.
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Jack Willis was never capped, Sam James is a good player, I recalled him playing well in a Baabaas game, but would you have him ahead of Slade, Tuilagi, Marchant? Unfortunately Sam it is a difficult ball game.
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Jack Willis was in the tour squad to SA but didn't play. Presumably got injured again, poor bloke has no luck.
Sam James I would like to see in the England squad. Can play 12/13 (has also played 10 and 15 for Sale) is far happier playing the bosh role than Slade and has a very good offloading game. He's also more than capable of standing in as the playmaker. Far more options with him than with Marchant and Te'o when you've got limited squad numbers at the RWC.
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I thought the England U20's were really lucky to get a result against Italy who themselves wasted a bucket load of chances.
I wouldn't pay in chocolate coins to watch these names and the way it is going the game will be totally full of them.
With all of the successful development coaches now having lost their jobs I expect it'll be harder and harder to fight against the favouritism/nepotism and just plain barking selections.
I foresee England being in a bit of a poor playing state in a few years.
I wouldn't pay in chocolate coins to watch these names and the way it is going the game will be totally full of them.
With all of the successful development coaches now having lost their jobs I expect it'll be harder and harder to fight against the favouritism/nepotism and just plain barking selections.
I foresee England being in a bit of a poor playing state in a few years.
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BFG it could happen, but World U20 success doesn’t equal national senior success necessarily, the U20s might continue to select posh boys and player’s sons and do really badly but as long as the likes of Tigers Academy are bringing in players and they’re selected at national level England could still do alright in the future.
I really doubt England will reach the semifinals this year therefore hopefully à bientôt Mr Eddie Jones.
I really doubt England will reach the semifinals this year therefore hopefully à bientôt Mr Eddie Jones.
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It's been building for some time. I agree with JP14 that it is the talent discovered by the clubs that may keep the flag flying. However had a conversation about that this weekend, based on the question why England are carp when there is such a big player base. The answer, we decided, is that the real base is small, due to the biases we have enumerated ad nauseam over the years.BFG wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:55 am I thought the England U20's were really lucky to get a result against Italy who themselves wasted a bucket load of chances.
I wouldn't pay in chocolate coins to watch these names and the way it is going the game will be totally full of them.
With all of the successful development coaches now having lost their jobs I expect it'll be harder and harder to fight against the favouritism/nepotism and just plain barking selections.
I foresee England being in a bit of a poor playing state in a few years.
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I agree.jgriffin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:19 pmIt's been building for some time. I agree with JP14 that it is the talent discovered by the clubs that may keep the flag flying. However had a conversation about that this weekend, based on the question why England are carp when there is such a big player base. The answer, we decided, is that the real base is small, due to the biases we have enumerated ad nauseam over the years.BFG wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:55 am I thought the England U20's were really lucky to get a result against Italy who themselves wasted a bucket load of chances.
I wouldn't pay in chocolate coins to watch these names and the way it is going the game will be totally full of them.
With all of the successful development coaches now having lost their jobs I expect it'll be harder and harder to fight against the favouritism/nepotism and just plain barking selections.
I foresee England being in a bit of a poor playing state in a few years.
I wrote a whole reply but decided it wasn't worth leaving out for someone to start an argument, which is often the case and I couldn't be bothered with.
There are all sorts of different reasons for bias from independent and state schooled connections, the end result is that it does badly water down the playing pool.
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There's been a real drop off this season in the quality coming from the England under 20s team. Looking at the squad they've sent over to the JWC there's a drop off from prior years when there were a number of players with AP experience and who were pushing on into the AP wider squads.BFG wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:55 am I thought the England U20's were really lucky to get a result against Italy who themselves wasted a bucket load of chances.
I wouldn't pay in chocolate coins to watch these names and the way it is going the game will be totally full of them.
With all of the successful development coaches now having lost their jobs I expect it'll be harder and harder to fight against the favouritism/nepotism and just plain barking selections.
I foresee England being in a bit of a poor playing state in a few years.
Not sure the coaching revamp is an instant hit.
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They let go some proven coaches that were trying to do a good job in what has never been a good situation with all of the selection dilemmas and basically trying to see through a lot of the rubbish that comes with the process with so many put forward annually who simply shouldn't be and vice versa.sam16111986 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:37 amThere's been a real drop off this season in the quality coming from the England under 20s team. Looking at the squad they've sent over to the JWC there's a drop off from prior years when there were a number of players with AP experience and who were pushing on into the AP wider squads.BFG wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:55 am I thought the England U20's were really lucky to get a result against Italy who themselves wasted a bucket load of chances.
I wouldn't pay in chocolate coins to watch these names and the way it is going the game will be totally full of them.
With all of the successful development coaches now having lost their jobs I expect it'll be harder and harder to fight against the favouritism/nepotism and just plain barking selections.
I foresee England being in a bit of a poor playing state in a few years.
Not sure the coaching revamp is an instant hit.
It has left things wide open to a bad situation taking control which sort of rings a few bells around these parts.
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This is what happens when you reportedly cut costs and replace good coaches! Read Ryan's piece too,sounds a bit salty but it must be true because otherwise it's a legal teams dream and I haven't heard it being challenged. Anyone else?
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