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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by 1989Tiger » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:19 am

Well at least Borthwick fits the number 1 criteria for a lot of people on here- he’s never played for Tigers!

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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by kk20gb30 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:25 am

Should the Borthwick rumor be true it would surely raise questions about Mark Bakewell's future , and possibly quite rightly.
On a personal level would still prefer Graham Rowntree - ex Tiger or not.
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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:51 am

Rowntree would be my pick also, no point in investing in all these forwards without a decent forwards coach.

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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by TTRITH » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:53 am

To be fair swapping Borthwick and Ford in for Bakewell and Blake, already our coaching set up is better.

Still without that extra coach, though.

DoR: Geordan Murphy
HC/Forwards: Steve Borthwick
Scrum: Boris Stankovich
Defense/Attack: Mike Ford
Assistant coach: Brett Deacon

Could do with a backs/skills coach to round it off.
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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by DingDong » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:30 am

TTRITH wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:53 am
To be fair swapping Borthwick and Ford in for Bakewell and Blake, already our coaching set up is better.

Still without that extra coach, though.

DoR: Geordan Murphy
HC/Forwards: Steve Borthwick
Scrum: Boris Stankovich
Defense/Attack: Mike Ford
Assistant coach: Brett Deacon

Could do with a backs/skills coach to round it off.
Strange seeing on paper two brilliant coaches working under a DoR who is historically our most disastrous coach ever. How can Murphy direct something he has no pedigree in? Blind or one-eyed faith is not going to be enough at top level, but i guess we'll have to wait and see.

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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by JP14 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:35 am

I’d happily take Borthwick, but are Tigers taking him out of his England contract or will we have to wait until after the World Cup? The latter would be a very risky option and another waste of a preseason.
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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by TTRITH » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:42 am

Rowntree to Munster confirmed now.

Another top class coach, who was actually available unlike Borthwick, slips Tigers by.
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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by Tiger93 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:44 am

If we didn't approach Rowntree id love to know the reasons why.

Borthwick all but confirmed though.

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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by Grimlish » Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:59 am

Borthwick was at WR for the Bath game, but that could clearly be with more than one reason for being there.

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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by JP14 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:06 pm

Maybe Rowntree didn’t want go come back?
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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:06 pm

Tiger93 wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:44 am
If we didn't approach Rowntree id love to know the reasons why.

Borthwick all but confirmed though.
All but confirmed? Big talk.

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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by chewbacca » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:08 pm

Can't see Borthwick not being in Japan with England. Still its another transition season so no need to hit the ground running.
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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by FrontRowUnionMember » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:11 pm

TTRITH wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:53 am
To be fair swapping Borthwick and Ford in for Bakewell and Blake, already our coaching set up is better.

Still without that extra coach, though.

DoR: Geordan Murphy
HC/Forwards: Steve Borthwick
Scrum: Boris Stankovich
Defense/Attack: Mike Ford
Assistant coach: Brett Deacon

Could do with a backs/skills coach to round it off.
I think you are not far off the mark there.
Murphy has not set the world alight as a head coach, but I can see him functioning in a DoR role with a more skilled head coach under him, something like Humphreys/Ackerman at Gloucester.

For what it’s worth, I think Borthwick could be an astute appointment. He’s very highly rated, both from a technical skillset and also in terms of his analysis. I don’t think Bakewell has been a huge success, he’s had 18 months with no real signs of improvement, and freshening things up could make all the difference.
Regarding Ford, I think he’s a definite plus to keep, got plenty of experience to help Murphy, and also has the ability to coach defence or attack in his locker. Greater accuracy and dynamism is needed in both areas, so probably depends where they see Ford making the greatest gains, or maybe who else is out there to fill either other role.
I do wonder if Blake had had a preseason, could he have made a difference. Didn’t after coming in mid term really, but he did last time he was here.

With Rowntree off to Munster, was it ever confirmed that where Flannery was going?

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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:37 pm

What about Newby for the defence and breakdown role? He would be a good addition to the staff.

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Re: New coaching structure?

Post by sapajo » Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:43 pm

Leicestertinytiger wrote:
Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:37 pm
What about Newby for the defence and breakdown role? He would be a good addition to the staff.
What track record and experience has he got that makes him a good addition to the staff?
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