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The team are playing badly - the wedding didn't affect that but it brought money into the club
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I do not know anyone involved in the wedding so my views are entirely impartial.
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But that is the debate.... it's not personal against the couple getting married just as it's not personal about the players. Somebody wants to pay a few grand to get married on the pitch at half term, kerching. What next? I know let's have somebody with a giant flag run up and down the touchline whenever we score a try. Brilliant. Let's have the players ignore all the ordinary fans and head up to the corporate hospitality after the game. And what of the players themselves. Let's shed 10-15 players a season. Let's do a deal mid-way through someone's contract and pack them off to a rival and then ask other guys to put their body on the line and show some loyalty. Arguably, it's all part of the same narrative. Behaviours and values.
They'll be building a hotel next !!ourla wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:02 amBut that is the debate.... it's not personal against the couple getting married just as it's not personal about the players. Somebody wants to pay a few grand to get married on the pitch at half term, kerching. What next? I know let's have somebody with a giant flag run up and down the touchline whenever we score a try. Brilliant. Let's have the players ignore all the ordinary fans and head up to the corporate hospitality after the game. And what of the players themselves. Let's shed 10-15 players a season. Let's do a deal mid-way through someone's contract and pack them off to a rival and then ask other guys to put their body on the line and show some loyalty. Arguably, it's all part of the same narrative. Behaviours and values.
Oh I thought he meant it made you want to scream, turn green, vomit and vow to never do it again
Now I think you're hitting a bit closer to the nail with that.ourla wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:02 amBut that is the debate.... it's not personal against the couple getting married just as it's not personal about the players. Somebody wants to pay a few grand to get married on the pitch at half term, kerching. What next? I know let's have somebody with a giant flag run up and down the touchline whenever we score a try. Brilliant. Let's have the players ignore all the ordinary fans and head up to the corporate hospitality after the game. And what of the players themselves. Let's shed 10-15 players a season. Let's do a deal mid-way through someone's contract and pack them off to a rival and then ask other guys to put their body on the line and show some loyalty. Arguably, it's all part of the same narrative. Behaviours and values.
I hadn't looked at it that way!
Yes, if all of those things bring money into the club, then carry on.ourla wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:02 amBut that is the debate.... it's not personal against the couple getting married just as it's not personal about the players. Somebody wants to pay a few grand to get married on the pitch at half term, kerching. What next? I know let's have somebody with a giant flag run up and down the touchline whenever we score a try. Brilliant. Let's have the players ignore all the ordinary fans and head up to the corporate hospitality after the game. And what of the players themselves. Let's shed 10-15 players a season. Let's do a deal mid-way through someone's contract and pack them off to a rival and then ask other guys to put their body on the line and show some loyalty. Arguably, it's all part of the same narrative. Behaviours and values.
You're not really getting it, which is fine... not everyone will.1989Tiger wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:43 pmYes, if all of those things bring money until the club, then carry on.ourla wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:02 amBut that is the debate.... it's not personal against the couple getting married just as it's not personal about the players. Somebody wants to pay a few grand to get married on the pitch at half term, kerching. What next? I know let's have somebody with a giant flag run up and down the touchline whenever we score a try. Brilliant. Let's have the players ignore all the ordinary fans and head up to the corporate hospitality after the game. And what of the players themselves. Let's shed 10-15 players a season. Let's do a deal mid-way through someone's contract and pack them off to a rival and then ask other guys to put their body on the line and show some loyalty. Arguably, it's all part of the same narrative. Behaviours and values.
The players are on the pitch for 80 minutes a week. All the other time can be spent being much needed money into the club.
Ok, so what do you mean then?ourla wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:51 pmYou're not really getting it, which is fine... not everyone will.1989Tiger wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 7:43 pmYes, if all of those things bring money until the club, then carry on.ourla wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 11:02 am
But that is the debate.... it's not personal against the couple getting married just as it's not personal about the players. Somebody wants to pay a few grand to get married on the pitch at half term, kerching. What next? I know let's have somebody with a giant flag run up and down the touchline whenever we score a try. Brilliant. Let's have the players ignore all the ordinary fans and head up to the corporate hospitality after the game. And what of the players themselves. Let's shed 10-15 players a season. Let's do a deal mid-way through someone's contract and pack them off to a rival and then ask other guys to put their body on the line and show some loyalty. Arguably, it's all part of the same narrative. Behaviours and values.
The players are on the pitch for 80 minutes a week. All the other time can be spent being much needed money into the club.
The players aren't immune to the commercial side just as the commercial side are not immune to what is going on on the playing side. The blend into each other and cross contaminate. The players do not buy tickets from the office, kit from shop or buy food/drink on match days but I am sure they hear from family, mates, neighbours, people they meet going about their daily business, that do. They might not see everything that goes on on match days but they get a flavour of it. And the commercial director said that it really knocks the staff when the team underperform. Worst still when good players/coaches are binned or when players just don't seem to be trying. Imagine working your socks every day marketing the club or selling tickets only to see the team fall apart on the weekend and get gubbed. Marketing is a necessity, painting your club in the best light is of course what you are going to do but when things are not working on or off the field have someone take responsibility, have someone admit things are not what they should be and explain the plan to fix it. The fact that we can't run a :censored: up in a rugby club and sack our head coach one game into the season are two sides of the same coin. It's not a coincidence. You don't have the best run club in the world and the crappiest team or vice versa. They run in parallel. All IMVHO.
I can see where you are trying to come from but you are focussing more on marketing. I’m talking more about the business as a whole. The idea of a business is to make money and although Tigers made losses last year, I believe we were the club with the lowest amount of losses. Only Exeter made money so I see it as Exeter and Tigers are the two best run clubs (businesses). Of course, marketing is important but ultimately, making money is what business is all about.ourla wrote: ↑Fri May 17, 2019 10:38 pmThe players aren't immune to the commercial side just as the commercial side are not immune to what is going on on the playing side. The blend into each other and cross contaminate. The players do not buy tickets from the office, kit from shop or buy food/drink on match days but I am sure they hear from family, mates, neighbours, people they meet going about their daily business, that do. They might not see everything that goes on on match days but they get a flavour of it. And the commercial director said that it really knocks the staff when the team underperform. Worst still when good players/coaches are binned or when players just don't seem to be trying. Imagine working your socks every day marketing the club or selling tickets only to see the team fall apart on the weekend and get gubbed. Marketing is a necessity, painting your club in the best light is of course what you are going to do but when things are not working on or off the field have someone take responsibility, have someone admit things are not what they should be and explain the plan to fix it. The fact that we can't run aup in a rugby club and sack our head coach one game into the season are two sides of the same coin. It's not a coincidence. You don't have the best run club in the world and the crappiest team or vice versa. They run in parallel. All IMVHO.
I'm still not sure you get it but that could well be down to my lack of eloquence not your intelligence!
I think he is covering for the old boys club.Scuttle wrote: ↑Sat May 18, 2019 10:57 am Lewis Moody in The Mail sums it up well.
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