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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by Greenwhiteandred » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:25 pm

Said exactly the same last week - line out is poor and then if we actually win the ball the maul is even worse. Today we won 3 scrum penalties in the first half which we should have capitalised on but I honestly don’t think we have enough players in our team who are able to think how to win a game when on the pitch. Too much dumb decision making (see the last minute - who the hell attempts 2 kicks to compete when you need a try to get a LBP)

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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by BFG » Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:44 pm

sam16111986 wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:55 pm

No MOC was slated for being in the job for about 18 months having had two preseasons and not being able to organise an attacking structure or a defence. Hell all we had under him was a scrum and that's only because of Boris.

I have no idea why when 10m out we kicked to the corner. Scrum, scrum and scrum again. Try and milk a yellow card or two. If nothing else attacking off the back of a scrum marching forward would stop the flankers coming to the rescue of the midfield that was struggling to contain Manu.
Leicester had a strong scrum long before Boris arrived.
The only thing that temporarily halted Leicester's scrum strength were serious injuries to Cole and Ayerza which was something that was conveniently failed to be recognised by fans who wanted Cockerill's head and along with several other players being injured, and the incoming Thacker did little to make that area more consistent.

I don't know why Leicester's first phase attack isn't better and the scrum option isn't utilised more at penalties if the kick at goal isn't fancied, with the players they have Leicester's first phase attack off the scrum should result in many more points, but then I suppose it's down to who makes those decisions.

Regarding coaches the bottom line is that when the players execute better then they do better, as they did against the likes of Sale and Newcastle last season with MOC in charge, or against Saints last week with Murphy in charge, and when they execute worse then they do worse as they did again today.
I understand certain posters gripes with certain coaches but I don't believe any coach has had a fair crack recently due to the inconsistency on the pitch.

There are a players that will make Leicester potentially stronger, Spencer and Genge are two, but in my opinion it'll count for only a little if they continue to execute the basics so poorly against very good teams.

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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by jamiewilkinson » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:50 am

sapajo wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:33 pm
G.K wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:10 pm
Well after a good win at Saints last week it was back to the same old, negative, brain dead Rugby. Never looked like scoring after the early penalty. If the team could just learn one simple thing - you can't win by aimlessly hoofing it to the opposition when in an attacking position. It's rinse and repeat. I predict no play-offs again this year.
MOC has gone but the clueless kicking the ball away continues! Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and hoping for a different outcome. With Murphy now in charge why does this insanity continue?
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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by Bristol Tiger » Sun Oct 14, 2018 8:45 am

For my comments on this game - please read my posts on every other game this season ... we don’t seem to be making any progress and doing anything differently (poor line outs, again; aimless kicking, again; second best at the breakdown, again; no visible attacking structure, etc. etc.)

On kicking though, thought Ben Young’s box kicking during George Ford’s sin-bin was needed and was immaculate. Long kicks, off the field and into the hoardings to stop quick throw-ins. We were under the cosh and this was the right thing to do and very well executed.

Unfortunately, can’t think of any other positives ...

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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by markharbtiger » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:25 am

Greenwhiteandred wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:25 pm
Said exactly the same last week - line out is poor and then if we actually win the ball the maul is even worse. Today we won 3 scrum penalties in the first half which we should have capitalised on but I honestly don’t think we have enough players in our team who are able to think how to win a game when on the pitch. Too much dumb decision making (see the last minute - who the hell attempts 2 kicks to compete when you need a try to get a LBP)
:smt022
I think it was Greenwood who said recently there’s a good team in there somewhere. Some of the same problems do seem to keep reappearing.

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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by Scuttle » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:03 am

I could not watch the game due to travelling so would be interested to hear what people thought on balance about how we played. I sense alot of frustration that we got ourselves into some good positions and squandered them; but I guess for me the fact we are getting into some good positions is an improvement on some of the performances of late such as Worcester 1st half and Exeter.
Talking of Worcester, they seem to be finding their mojo; they put 7 tries on the board in the rout of Bristol last weekend, then change 15 of their squad and score 5 tries in a comfortable win (in terms of score)against Stade Francaise who are second in the Top 14. Sounds like a team on the up.
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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by Dr H Flashman MBE » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:40 am

Now I have calmed, although still fuming at BOD's biased commentatory (Manu scored and I didn't but hear a word from him), that first half we showed some real control. Ford looks good (drop goal was a tad clumsy but he looked controlled). Manu is playing for a new contract and shows. He is a real threat and looks (fingers crossed as I tempt faith) fit and healthy. Holmes is clearly a good player at both full back and wing. Odd mistake, but I think he has real potential. Bang another contract into him for 3 seasons and let him flourish.
Back 3 looked good. I really rate Thompson. I know he was a Pest, but he shows heart and is a nuisance. He appears fired up all the time. Possibly capt material. Like his fire in the belly.
Williams was hitting contact hard, which is why we got him in the first place.

TY in the first half was all over the place ball in hand (in a good way). But second half, line outs went wrong and it went down hill.
Rolling maul and attacking line out done to death. Utterly terrible and would look poor in the amateur game.
How Ford was yellow carded is beyond me, but we need to start being more ref savvy.
Also, we had them on toast in the scrum..why not use it as a weapon and grind them into the ground? Before the game they were worried about this. Poor game management.

Let's see what next week brings..
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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by HantsTiger » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:03 am

A genuine game of 2 halves, we had good line speed in the first half only a little inaccuracy at the key times prevented us scoring.

2nd half we conceeded a try and went to pieces, they had worked out to kick and chase into our back 3 and our intensity dropped. The 24 missed tackles would primarily have been in the second half by my reckoning as we looked tired and our shape went.

Are we still suffering the hangover of a poor preseason? Fitness wise I mean

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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by HantsTiger » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:08 am

Dr H Flashman MBE wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:40 am
Now I have calmed, although still fuming at BOD's biased commentatory (Manu scored and I didn't but hear a word from him), that first half we showed some real control. Ford looks good (drop goal was a tad clumsy but he looked controlled). Manu is playing for a new contract and shows. He is a real threat and looks (fingers crossed as I tempt faith) fit and healthy. Holmes is clearly a good player at both full back and wing. Odd mistake, but I think he has real potential. Bang another contract into him for 3 seasons and let him flourish.
Back 3 looked good. I really rate Thompson. I know he was a Pest, but he shows heart and is a nuisance. He appears fired up all the time. Possibly capt material. Like his fire in the belly.
Williams was hitting contact hard, which is why we got him in the first place.

TY in the first half was all over the place ball in hand (in a good way). But second half, line outs went wrong and it went down hill.
Rolling maul and attacking line out done to death. Utterly terrible and would look poor in the amateur game.
How Ford was yellow carded is beyond me, but we need to start being more ref savvy.
Also, we had them on toast in the scrum..why not use it as a weapon and grind them into the ground? Before the game they were worried about this. Poor game management.

Let's see what next week brings..
The wife said the same, given that he went through 5 players to score it might have been worthy of a mention!

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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by TigerCam » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:16 am

Mark62 wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:49 pm
TigerCam wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:42 pm
sapajo wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:33 pm



Must have been watching a different match.
No! right match, just that the Tigers only created something for 30 seconds!! Thats Europe over then for another year?
Have you seen the Scarlets result
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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by drc_007 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:41 am

HantsTiger wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:03 am
A genuine game of 2 halves, we had good line speed in the first half only a little inaccuracy at the key times prevented us scoring.

2nd half we conceeded a try and went to pieces, they had worked out to kick and chase into our back 3 and our intensity dropped. The 24 missed tackles would primarily have been in the second half by my reckoning as we looked tired and our shape went.

Are we still suffering the hangover of a poor preseason? Fitness wise I mean
According to ESPN we missed 12 tackles in first half and 15 in the second. Neither are good enough.

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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by Leicestertinytiger » Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:44 pm

markharbtiger wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:25 am
Greenwhiteandred wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:25 pm
Said exactly the same last week - line out is poor and then if we actually win the ball the maul is even worse. Today we won 3 scrum penalties in the first half which we should have capitalised on but I honestly don’t think we have enough players in our team who are able to think how to win a game when on the pitch. Too much dumb decision making (see the last minute - who the hell attempts 2 kicks to compete when you need a try to get a LBP)
:smt022
I think it was Greenwood who said recently there’s a good team in there somewhere. Some of the same problems do seem to keep reappearing.
We definitely have a good team in hiding! Will we see our full potential this season, I very much doubt it. Another season in transition but the basis for a great team hopefully next season, we live in hope no?

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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by HantsTiger » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:40 pm

drc_007 wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:41 am
HantsTiger wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:03 am
A genuine game of 2 halves, we had good line speed in the first half only a little inaccuracy at the key times prevented us scoring.

2nd half we conceeded a try and went to pieces, they had worked out to kick and chase into our back 3 and our intensity dropped. The 24 missed tackles would primarily have been in the second half by my reckoning as we looked tired and our shape went.

Are we still suffering the hangover of a poor preseason? Fitness wise I mean
According to ESPN we missed 12 tackles in first half and 15 in the second. Neither are good enough.
Really? I don't remember us being that loose in the first half, but I'm not going to argue and yes, we shouldn't be missing that many

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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by voice of the crumbie » Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:41 pm

sapajo wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:23 pm
sam16111986 wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:53 pm
sapajo wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:33 pm


MOC has gone but the clueless kicking the ball away continues! Insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and hoping for a different outcome. With Murphy now in charge why does this insanity continue?
In wet and windy conditions we should try running the ball from our own half?

Ulster had a rookie at fullback. We got some early joy applying pressure to him. In the second half we barely had the ball and had to scramble it away when we did.

Rookie? So what does that make Holmes then??
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Holmes when interviewed, can't remember where, this week revealed he'd played a season at full back at his previous club. He stated he had to learn the position t the beginning but was comfortable by the end of the season. Hardly a rookie.
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Re: Ulster v Tigers

Post by sam16111986 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 3:19 pm

BFG wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 11:44 pm
sam16111986 wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:55 pm

No MOC was slated for being in the job for about 18 months having had two preseasons and not being able to organise an attacking structure or a defence. Hell all we had under him was a scrum and that's only because of Boris.

I have no idea why when 10m out we kicked to the corner. Scrum, scrum and scrum again. Try and milk a yellow card or two. If nothing else attacking off the back of a scrum marching forward would stop the flankers coming to the rescue of the midfield that was struggling to contain Manu.
Leicester had a strong scrum long before Boris arrived.
The only thing that temporarily halted Leicester's scrum strength were serious injuries to Cole and Ayerza which was something that was conveniently failed to be recognised by fans who wanted Cockerill's head and along with several other players being injured, and the incoming Thacker did little to make that area more consistent.

I don't know why Leicester's first phase attack isn't better and the scrum option isn't utilised more at penalties if the kick at goal isn't fancied, with the players they have Leicester's first phase attack off the scrum should result in many more points, but then I suppose it's down to who makes those decisions.

Regarding coaches the bottom line is that when the players execute better then they do better, as they did against the likes of Sale and Newcastle last season with MOC in charge, or against Saints last week with Murphy in charge, and when they execute worse then they do worse as they did again today.
I understand certain posters gripes with certain coaches but I don't believe any coach has had a fair crack recently due to the inconsistency on the pitch.

There are a players that will make Leicester potentially stronger, Spencer and Genge are two, but in my opinion it'll count for only a little if they continue to execute the basics so poorly against very good teams.
For the record I didn't want to Cockers sacked. If I bumped into him I'd shake his hand and thank him for the memories.

What Stanko has brought is strength in depth at the scrum. Before it was the case that if Ayerza or Cole went off we wouldn't be as good (in the years after Castro and White had move on). This season we're bringing on a Tongan who seems to have more of a reputation for his work in the loose than in the tight and a raw 19 year old and dominating experienced internationals.

In the interviews there's a lot of talk about how he likes to focus on technique and scrumming as a unit. Exactly what you want from a specialist coach.

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