Transfers & Rumours Non Tigers 2016/17

[johnthegriff]

Amazing, a former player who has never held the position of head coach and was defence coach to England during an unsuccessful 6 Nations and another former player who has been backs coach at Worcester who if I recall finished 11th in the league two years on the trot, find another job and somehow our Board and senior players have let us down by thinking they know better than TTRITH. How very silly of them!

[jgriffin]

I'd agree with all the last 3 posters, as I don't accept that Vesty or Gustard are 'the answer', but remain horribly concerned about the shortage of specialist coaches at WR, and the effectiveness of those in post (except Boris, Bakewell possibly being a dead cat bounce).

[TTRITH]

Amazing, a former player who has never held the position of head coach and was defence coach to England during an unsuccessful 6 Nations and another former player who has been backs coach at Worcester who if I recall finished 11th in the league two years on the trot, find another job and somehow our Board and senior players have let us down by thinking they know better than TTRITH. How very silly of them!

How very silly of them indeed.

I think you are being incredibly unfair to both Gustard and Vesty. Gustard is largely responsible for Saracens "wolf pack," he was part of the "revolution" at Saracens, and has impressed in the England set up. Last I knew, he wasn't responsible for team selection, which has forced England to become unstuck recently.

Vesty is an incredibly intelligent coach, and again is widely respected as such. The material he has produced online is a testament to that. There is a reason why Chris Boyd (another really good appointment btw) has brought him into Saints, and he will do well there. And yes, I feel he'd do a better job than our current skills coach, who has been unable to solve the issues that our squad has with basic passing, kicking and tackling!

Matt O'Connor is not a director of rugby, so I have some sympathy for him, although his team selections have been odd and tactics flawed (again, merely in my humble opinion.) Ged Glynn is responsible for recruitment, and whilst I'm excited by the players coming in this season we are woefully short of quality in the midfield (no other real starter options at 10/12, first choice 13s are injury prone, and Tait and Smith are the wrong side of 30). There is also a reluctance to play the younger players Worth and Hardwick being two prime examples.

My argument is not that we didn't appointment them but more the point that we didn't even look at them. We appointed the easy option who failed at Leinster, and it can't have been the playing staff because Cullen, with very little coaching pedigree has brought them back to the top table (with astutely appointed coaches, whereas we stick with the same old, minimal approach)!

[Cagey Tiger]

If hits the fan next season we should have plenty of options available for the 2019/20 season anyway in terms of Head coaches.

For if read "when"!!

When? On this forum, no later than the first defeat for many, after the 1st "poor" performance for others, and the doom mongers have already started

[Robespierre]

If hits the fan next season we should have plenty of options available for the 2019/20 season anyway in terms of Head coaches.

For if read "when"!!

When? On this forum, no later than the first defeat for many, after the 1st "poor" performance for others, and the doom mongers have already started

Gotcha!!!

[ourla]

Amazing, a former player who has never held the position of head coach and was defence coach to England during an unsuccessful 6 Nations and another former player who has been backs coach at Worcester who if I recall finished 11th in the league two years on the trot, find another job and somehow our Board and senior players have let us down by thinking they know better than TTRITH. How very silly of them!

How very silly of them indeed.

I think you are being incredibly unfair to both Gustard and Vesty. Gustard is largely responsible for Saracens "wolf pack," he was part of the "revolution" at Saracens, and has impressed in the England set up. Last I knew, he wasn't responsible for team selection, which has forced England to become unstuck recently.

Vesty is an incredibly intelligent coach, and again is widely respected as such. The material he has produced online is a testament to that. There is a reason why Chris Boyd (another really good appointment btw) has brought him into Saints, and he will do well there. And yes, I feel he'd do a better job than our current skills coach, who has been unable to solve the issues that our squad has with basic passing, kicking and tackling!

Matt O'Connor is not a director of rugby, so I have some sympathy for him, although his team selections have been odd and tactics flawed (again, merely in my humble opinion.) Ged Glynn is responsible for recruitment, and whilst I'm excited by the players coming in this season we are woefully short of quality in the midfield (no other real starter options at 10/12, first choice 13s are injury prone, and Tait and Smith are the wrong side of 30). There is also a reluctance to play the younger players Worth and Hardwick being two prime examples.

My argument is not that we didn't appointment them but more the point that we didn't even look at them. We appointed the easy option who failed at Leinster, and it can't have been the playing staff because Cullen, with very little coaching pedigree has brought them back to the top table (with astutely appointed coaches, whereas we stick with the same old, minimal approach)!

There appears to be a lot of conjecture here.

#1 We don't know that Tigers have never considered employing Gustard and Vesty.

#2 We are talking about Gustard as a DoR not as a coach.

#3 Boyd may be a good appointment but frankly the proof is in the pudding and it's likely to take time and patience for it to become so.

The coaches and players at Tigers know the score. Another season like this one would not be tolerated. That doesn't guarantee anything other than your negativity will either be proven correct or not fairly swiftly.

[Jimmy Skitz]

Matt O’Connor is literally not a DOR, his job title is Head Coach not DOR

[AngusMcCoatup]

Matt O’Connor is literally not a DOR, his job title is Head Coach not DOR

Personally I wish Matt O'Connor had been shown the DOOR after this seasons results and missing the playoffs.

[strawclearer]

Wasps announce defence coach Phil Blake will be leaving the club now the season is over and his contract is up.

[Rugbyflanker]

I'd take Blake back,we conceded the least tries in the AP when he was here. When he was at Oz they beat NZ 2/4,won their first tri nations in 10 years and didn't concede a single try in the 2011 group stages Vs SA,Italy and Ireland. Also finished top,got to a final and had the AP highest tackle % last season with Wasps too,why did he leave?

[Granby]

Most trys conceded amongst the top 5 - https://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport ... s-14692195

[JP14]

Wasps defence is poor, but that might only be because of the attacking mindset, so I wouldn't mind him coming back to us.

[Rugbyflanker]

Yes JP,Blake's hands are tied there. His complete resume overwhelmingly stands up to one season

[Tiger93]

I'd take Blake back. He did a good job at Wasps with his hands tied with the way they play and selection of some backs who simply cannot tackle and lack defensive discipline. They've let him go because they're paying Danny Wilson big doh. They simply cannot afford to keep him as well as all the other coaches they have.

[RagingBull]

I would take him back.
Knows the club, has a lot of experience the squad on the whole is a lot better than the one we had when he was with us IMO.
Wasps defensive issues came from poor forward play and a very "loose" counter attacking play style which will always leave holes open.