The BBC - a continued failure

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by Grimlish » Mon May 29, 2017 1:51 pm

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by jgriffin » Mon May 29, 2017 1:55 pm

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by Noddy555 » Mon May 29, 2017 2:10 pm

Oh Dear Chris111 if the 20th Century ever taught us anything, it is that Socialism and communism don't work in a capitalist society. Perhaps like your not so great leader you hanker back for the 1970's when strikes were commonplace and nothing British ever worked either through bad manufacture or loss of power when the lights went out. The Proletariat whatever that means has never existed, In the early and middle part of the 19th century when society was mainly agriculturally based the two games of the workers were Cricket in the summer and Rugby in the winter. In fact it can be argued that elitism in sport started when the round ball game was taken up by industrial workers in the late 19th Century, I'm afraid you will have to seek better arguments to substantiate your claims. As for the BBC and Sport, unless it's politically correct or a period Drama The Nambi pambys who run the corporation don't want to know.

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by tigercaspian » Mon May 29, 2017 5:01 pm

Noddy555 wrote:Oh Dear Chris111 if the 20th Century ever taught us anything, it is that Socialism and communism don't work in a capitalist society. Perhaps like your not so great leader you hanker back for the 1970's when strikes were commonplace and nothing British ever worked either through bad manufacture or loss of power when the lights went out. The Proletariat whatever that means has never existed, In the early and middle part of the 19th century when society was mainly agriculturally based the two games of the workers were Cricket in the summer and Rugby in the winter. In fact it can be argued that elitism in sport started when the round ball game was taken up by industrial workers in the late 19th Century, I'm afraid you will have to seek better arguments to substantiate your claims. As for the BBC and Sport, unless it's politically correct or a period Drama The Nambi pambys who run the corporation don't want to know.

Sorry everyone. I promise not to post about the BBC again!

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by Cardiff Tig » Mon May 29, 2017 6:39 pm

It would be interesting to see viewing figures - I bet the amount of people that actually watched the final was pretty small.

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by chewbacca » Mon May 29, 2017 7:02 pm

Cardiff Tig wrote:It would be interesting to see viewing figures - I bet the amount of people that actually watched the final was pretty small.
Difficult to use in any meaningful way due to broadcasting arrangements. Perhaps if our game was available free to air then it would attract more followers. 79,657 attended in person though and enjoyed an enthralling final.
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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by jgriffin » Mon May 29, 2017 8:31 pm

As someone who 'does' politics I am keeping shtum since some posting on here need to do some serious reading. (Clue: what two things do James Harding, Laura Kuenssberg, Nick Robinson and Andrew Neil have in common?)

The BBC has lost its way, alas.
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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by Noddy555 » Mon May 29, 2017 10:37 pm

JG the BBC lost it's way long before Laura Kuesenberg? was born. It lost it's way when the politically correct mob swamped it in the late 70's and have reigned ever since.

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by mol2 » Mon May 29, 2017 11:01 pm

The BBC confuses serving its licence payers with serving its perception of which of those the arty farty types deem most important.

A sport deemed to be for middle class English males is bottom of the pile. (However wrong that may be)
They are more likely to give coverage of the transgender tiddlywinks championships of an uninhabited Hebridean island.

That's why the licence fee should be scrapped and the BBC should have to survive or fail on its own merit. For me serving up a load of soap operas and chat shows does not justify criminalising anyone who chooses not to pay a fee that funds a series of channels they don't watch.
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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by strawclearer » Mon May 29, 2017 11:11 pm

mol2 wrote:The BBC confuses serving its licence payers with serving its perception of which of those the arty farty types deem most important.

A sport deemed to be for middle class English males is bottom of the pile. (However wrong that may be)
They are more likely to give coverage of the transgender tiddlywinks championships of an uninhabited Hebridean island.

That's why the licence fee should be scrapped and the BBC should have to survive or fail on its own merit. For me serving up a load of soap operas and chat shows does not justify criminalising anyone who choses not to pay a fee that funds a series of channels the don't watch.
But what about the cookery and baking programmes; the gardening and DIY shows; the pointless, gormless gameshows? Oh right.....yes.....I see what you mean!
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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by Roly » Tue May 30, 2017 7:40 am

tigercaspian wrote:Exeter win the greatest Prem final ever and get dropped to 5th place in BBC sports headlines, behind the FA Cup Final (understandable), a ODI v the Saffas (probably OK ), and moneybags Celtic continuing to bully people whilst their manager is celebrated as a genius, and Lewis Hamilton fails to get on the grid again because he can't get his ego or wallet round Monaco's tight corners.
Shame on you BBC!
Lewis Hamilton did get on the grid (again) - he qualified 13th. He also finished 7th, which considering Monaco's 'tight corners', and very limited overtaking opportunities, is a remarkable achievement.

He's also won it twice previously, including last year.

You don't like him do you?? Or is it because you know absolutely nothing about F1 and are jealous?
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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by tigercaspian » Tue May 30, 2017 1:31 pm

Roly wrote:
tigercaspian wrote:Exeter win the greatest Prem final ever and get dropped to 5th place in BBC sports headlines, behind the FA Cup Final (understandable), a ODI v the Saffas (probably OK ), and moneybags Celtic continuing to bully people whilst their manager is celebrated as a genius, and Lewis Hamilton fails to get on the grid again because he can't get his ego or wallet round Monaco's tight corners.
Shame on you BBC!
Lewis Hamilton did get on the grid (again) - he qualified 13th. He also finished 7th, which considering Monaco's 'tight corners', and very limited overtaking opportunities, is a remarkable achievement.

He's also won it twice previously, including last year.

You don't like him do you?? Or is it because you know absolutely nothing about F1 and are jealous?
In fairness, Roly, you're right: I don't like him!

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by chris111 » Tue May 30, 2017 3:08 pm

Noddy555 wrote:Oh Dear Chris111 if the 20th Century ever taught us anything, it is that Socialism and communism don't work in a capitalist society. Perhaps like your not so great leader you hanker back for the 1970's when strikes were commonplace and nothing British ever worked either through bad manufacture or loss of power when the lights went out. The Proletariat whatever that means has never existed, In the early and middle part of the 19th century when society was mainly agriculturally based the two games of the workers were Cricket in the summer and Rugby in the winter. In fact it can be argued that elitism in sport started when the round ball game was taken up by industrial workers in the late 19th Century, I'm afraid you will have to seek better arguments to substantiate your claims. As for the BBC and Sport, unless it's politically correct or a period Drama The Nambi pambys who run the corporation don't want to know.
Hi Noddy - I'd be happy to talk politics with you elsewhere (and maybe counter your selective memory of the 1970s?!) - but you spoilt it by using the term "politically correct". I came to the conclusion many years ago that it's not worth any debate where that term is used (unless under conditions of extreme irony).

By the way, I'm a member of the Green Party and I don't recall either Caroline Lucas or Jon Bartley saying anything suggestive that they were nostalgic for an earlier era.....were you by any chance assuming I belonged to a different party...?!

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by Roly » Tue May 30, 2017 3:13 pm

chris111 wrote:
Noddy555 wrote:Oh Dear Chris111 if the 20th Century ever taught us anything, it is that Socialism and communism don't work in a capitalist society. Perhaps like your not so great leader you hanker back for the 1970's when strikes were commonplace and nothing British ever worked either through bad manufacture or loss of power when the lights went out. The Proletariat whatever that means has never existed, In the early and middle part of the 19th century when society was mainly agriculturally based the two games of the workers were Cricket in the summer and Rugby in the winter. In fact it can be argued that elitism in sport started when the round ball game was taken up by industrial workers in the late 19th Century, I'm afraid you will have to seek better arguments to substantiate your claims. As for the BBC and Sport, unless it's politically correct or a period Drama The Nambi pambys who run the corporation don't want to know.
Hi Noddy - I'd be happy to talk politics with you elsewhere (and maybe counter your selective memory of the 1970s?!) - but you spoilt it by using the term "politically correct". I came to the conclusion many years ago that it's not worth any debate where that term is used (unless under conditions of extreme irony).

By the way, I'm a member of the Green Party and I don't recall either Caroline Lucas or Jon Bartley saying anything suggestive that they were nostalgic for an earlier era.....were you by any chance assuming I belonged to a different party...?!
The Green Party?

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Re: The BBC - a continued failure

Post by chris111 » Tue May 30, 2017 3:16 pm

Roly wrote:
chris111 wrote:
Noddy555 wrote:Oh Dear Chris111 if the 20th Century ever taught us anything, it is that Socialism and communism don't work in a capitalist society. Perhaps like your not so great leader you hanker back for the 1970's when strikes were commonplace and nothing British ever worked either through bad manufacture or loss of power when the lights went out. The Proletariat whatever that means has never existed, In the early and middle part of the 19th century when society was mainly agriculturally based the two games of the workers were Cricket in the summer and Rugby in the winter. In fact it can be argued that elitism in sport started when the round ball game was taken up by industrial workers in the late 19th Century, I'm afraid you will have to seek better arguments to substantiate your claims. As for the BBC and Sport, unless it's politically correct or a period Drama The Nambi pambys who run the corporation don't want to know.
Hi Noddy - I'd be happy to talk politics with you elsewhere (and maybe counter your selective memory of the 1970s?!) - but you spoilt it by using the term "politically correct". I came to the conclusion many years ago that it's not worth any debate where that term is used (unless under conditions of extreme irony).

By the way, I'm a member of the Green Party and I don't recall either Caroline Lucas or Jon Bartley saying anything suggestive that they were nostalgic for an earlier era.....were you by any chance assuming I belonged to a different party...?!
The Green Party?

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