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Jacob Umaga

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by BIttySmalls » Tue May 31, 2016 2:38 pm

That's strange, I was just reading this about him being hunted by the Hurricanes.

http://www.talkingrugbyunion.co.uk/rugb ... /15474.htm

It would be a shame to lose him to a Premiership rival.

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by RagingBull » Tue May 31, 2016 4:54 pm

It was mention on the rumours thread.

I had heard either Bath or wasps had offer him a lot of money compared to our offer, and I wasn't the only one to have heard this.

Turns out Wasps won the race.

Honestly if @ 17 they have no strong desire to want to play for Tigers regardless of Talent they can go.

Not like losing Ford.

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by darganj » Tue May 31, 2016 5:02 pm

RagingBull wrote:It was mention on the rumours thread.

I had heard either Bath or wasps had offer him a lot of money compared to our offer, and I wasn't the only one to have heard this.

Turns out Wasps won the race.

Honestly if @ 17 they have no strong desire to want to play for Tigers regardless of Talent they can go.

Not like losing Ford.
Corinthian values went out of fashion in 1997 in Rugby. If you want top quality, you pay top quality rates and that kid is top quality.

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by RagingBull » Tue May 31, 2016 5:09 pm

darganj wrote:
RagingBull wrote:It was mention on the rumours thread.

I had heard either Bath or wasps had offer him a lot of money compared to our offer, and I wasn't the only one to have heard this.

Turns out Wasps won the race.

Honestly if @ 17 they have no strong desire to want to play for Tigers regardless of Talent they can go.

Not like losing Ford.
Corinthian values went out of fashion in 1997 in Rugby. If you want top quality, you pay top quality rates and that kid is top quality.
Not at that age, Rugby is not football no matter how agents will try and spin it.

Paying top dollar for someone yet to play U20 rugby is not the wisest of things esp when you have a budget to uphold.

TBD what do you think?

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by strawclearer » Tue May 31, 2016 5:32 pm

RagingBull wrote:
darganj wrote:
RagingBull wrote:It was mention on the rumours thread.

I had heard either Bath or wasps had offer him a lot of money compared to our offer, and I wasn't the only one to have heard this.

Turns out Wasps won the race.

Honestly if @ 17 they have no strong desire to want to play for Tigers regardless of Talent they can go.

Not like losing Ford.
Corinthian values went out of fashion in 1997 in Rugby. If you want top quality, you pay top quality rates and that kid is top quality.
Not at that age, Rugby is not football no matter how agents will try and spin it.

Paying top dollar for someone yet to play U20 rugby is not the wisest of things esp when you have a budget to uphold.

TBD what do you think?
I'm probably being hugely naive but, at his age and stage of development, should money really be the main issue for him?

I'm surprised he's passing up the opportunity to train under a Head Coach who was an All Black (45 tests) and a Coach with the Crusaders; an assistant backs coach at Canterbury as well as with the Crusaders; and the country's most decorated player who went on to make 322 appearances, scoring 93 tries and 691 points for the Tigers - as well as playing with and learning from a current Australian international who also plays 10/12. (Oh - and Anthony Allen for whom I don't have enough superlatives!)

I'm not sure the Pests can come close to offering that...can they?
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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by Flawborough » Tue May 31, 2016 5:45 pm

I could not agree more with the last comment. Working with all that experience has to be worth more than financial reward at such a young age.

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by The Boy Dave » Tue May 31, 2016 5:47 pm

At the end of the day he has made his choice and not much anyone else can do about it.
What the reasons are is anyone's guess, I suspect money and perhaps he fancies what other benefits they have to offer, Wasps do have quite a decent looking senior academy group which would be an attraction in itself.
I recall he did play rugby league for Coventry Bears as a youngster and was one of the few state schooled kids to come in from Kenilworth I think?
I'm as sure as I can be that Tigers would've liked to have retained him and tried their best.
He's obviously very talented but not the only talented player in the world, and he has a way to go to be the finished article, with a name like Umaga though you wouldn't bet against it.
I actually know that age group very well and thought those in the loop made a proper hash of things.
They missed or just completely overlooked quite a few local young Genge/McGuigan/Moody type characters who with pro development could've been very special.
Umaga was one of the few they got right IMO.
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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by RagingBull » Tue May 31, 2016 5:54 pm

Interesting that Tana has two more nephews at U20 rugby one is in the NZ setup Peter Umaga-Jenson, his twin Thomas isn't though.

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by tigercaspian » Tue May 31, 2016 7:29 pm

The Boy Dave wrote:At the end of the day he has made his choice and not much anyone else can do about it.
What the reasons are is anyone's guess, I suspect money and perhaps he fancies what other benefits they have to offer, Wasps do have quite a decent looking senior academy group which would be an attraction in itself.
I recall he did play rugby league for Coventry Bears as a youngster and was one of the few state schooled kids to come in from Kenilworth I think?
I'm as sure as I can be that Tigers would've liked to have retained him and tried their best.
He's obviously very talented but not the only talented player in the world, and he has a way to go to be the finished article, with a name like Umaga though you wouldn't bet against it.
I actually know that age group very well and thought those in the loop made a proper hash of things.
They missed or just completely overlooked quite a few local young Genge/McGuigan/Moody type characters who with pro development could've been very special.
Umaga was one of the few they got right IMO.
If he played over that way, perhaps he thought 'I'm from there, I'll go back there' particularly as you say TBD that Wasps have a strong senior academy grouping?
It's also possible he and his family looked at Wasps being on the up at the moment , whereas we are nowhere further forward than the last two seasons results-wise??

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by Hot_Charlie » Tue May 31, 2016 8:43 pm

Perhaps he sees the move as a slide up the pecking order, particularly with Lozowski moving on to Sarries opening up a hole perhaps; at best he'd be 4th or 5th in the WR pecking order for next season at least, if not longer.

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by Knightonian » Tue May 31, 2016 10:55 pm

It's an interesting decision and one which can influence his whole career.

Moving to NZ as a back I would have understood and I can even understand a bit moving to the pests.

However, it does tell me that when he was growing up he didn't always want to be a tiger.

If he had you would hope he would have given it a little more time and opportunity.

I suppose that's it he's chosen to be a pest which is only slightly better than going to the Stains

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by 4071 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:22 am

Not really a surprising move, given that it's been predicted over the last few years that Leicester's reputation for developing players has been fading fast and that this would be a consequence.

There's no longer anything Tigers can offer talented young players ahead of other, more successful clubs. So instead of trading on our (former) reputation for creating international-class players and being a place where players can reach their peak, we can only offer money.

Once we're in a shoot-out over money against richer clubs then we're going to be losing the best young players. Simple as that.

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by Roly » Wed Jun 01, 2016 10:31 am

4071 wrote:Not really a surprising move, given that it's been predicted over the last few years that Leicester's reputation for developing players has been fading fast and that this would be a consequence.

There's no longer anything Tigers can offer talented young players ahead of other, more successful clubs. So instead of trading on our (former) reputation for creating international-class players and being a place where players can reach their peak, we can only offer money.

Once we're in a shoot-out over money against richer clubs then we're going to be losing the best young players. Simple as that.
I would echo that.

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Re: Jacob Umaga

Post by Noddy555 » Wed Jun 01, 2016 12:47 pm

Yet another example of possibly losing a fine young player through lack of first class rugby. Tigers like other clubs have got to seriously address this issue or the talent will once again drift away to Europe or the Southern Hemisphere. Whether this is by an expansion of the "A" league system or by adopting or taking over a club lower down in the system echelon.

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