Ospreys v Tigers

[LE18]

So we could win, but still lose?

[Rinzler]

Yes, if Toulouse get two bonus points from the game and we get no bonus points despite winning, Toulouse will remain top.

[Darc Tiger]

We need to win, and stop Toulouse being within 7 points with 4 tries (or more).

[Smurphswillgetya]

Win and prevent more than one bonus point for them. Simples!

[Smurphswillgetya]

Yes, if Toulouse get two bonus points from the game and we get no bonus points despite winning, Toulouse will remain top.

Even if this happens we would finish on 20 points and most likely get the final quarter final spot. At the moment Montpellier can end up as runners up with 23 points if they get a 5 point win. This is followed by Tigers, Munster and Leinster who could finish second on 20 points. We currently have 13 tries, Munster 9 and Leinster 8. So if we score 3 tries against Toulouse Munster would need to score 8 or Leinster 9 to overtake us.

At the end of the day the priority is to win any which way we can. We could even get a home draw if we top our group and Saracens and Ulster fail to get anything more than a losing bonus point.

[Bill W (2)]

Yes, if Toulouse get two bonus points from the game and we get no bonus points despite winning, Toulouse will remain top.

Even if this happens we would finish on 20 points and most likely get the final quarter final spot. At the moment Montpellier can end up as runners up with 23 points if they get a 5 point win. This is followed by Tigers, Munster and Leinster who could finish second on 20 points. We currently have 13 tries, Munster 9 and Leinster 8. So if we score 3 tries against Toulouse Munster would need to score 8 or Leinster 9 to overtake us.

At the end of the day the priority is to win any which way we can. We could even get a home draw if we top our group and Saracens and Ulster fail to get anything more than a losing bonus point.

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Straws - clutching at.

Face it - no home QF - likely out of HC.

Likely wont make Premiership final either (be Sarries and Quins)

[Smurphswillgetya]

Yes, if Toulouse get two bonus points from the game and we get no bonus points despite winning, Toulouse will remain top.

Even if this happens we would finish on 20 points and most likely get the final quarter final spot. At the moment Montpellier can end up as runners up with 23 points if they get a 5 point win. This is followed by Tigers, Munster and Leinster who could finish second on 20 points. We currently have 13 tries, Munster 9 and Leinster 8. So if we score 3 tries against Toulouse Munster would need to score 8 or Leinster 9 to overtake us.

At the end of the day the priority is to win any which way we can. We could even get a home draw if we top our group and Saracens and Ulster fail to get anything more than a losing bonus point.

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Straws - clutching at.

Face it - no home QF - likely out of HC.

Likely wont make Premiership final either (be Sarries and Quins)

Totally lost the faith? Not clutching at straws but a factual response to the situation raised by another poster. All of the things I said could happen just like the miserable predictions that you have made could happen.

[Bill W (2)]

Just so!!! I KEEP THE FAITH but face reality!!

[Smudge]

A bit of old fashioned dog in the second half from Tigers but we only
got a draw because Biggar missed all those kicks.
Frankly they made us look poor plodders and their flair play was lovely to see.
In Foto they had the outstanding player on the field by a mile.Their 7 .8, 10 and 15 were also sheer class.
Why on earth don't our players perform like that, off-loading at speed to support players.
Most disappointing were the restarts and the kicking away of so much hard
won possession. We didn't get anywhere near even the short kicks.
Either Flood lacks the vision and ability to do this or he is playing to orders,
either way, it was painful to watch compared to the stuff Ospreys played.
As for chasers, we haven't had a decent one since Moody left.
OK, we may just beat Toulous at home but a place in the finals?
Not a hope.

[jamiewilkinson]

Completley agree with you Smudge in regards to the chasers and Moody.
It is all or nothing next week but if we take all then it is knock out, and by the time the quarters come round who knows what will happen, teams may lose/improve form, club talisman's may get injured with no suffiecent back up. Lets get behind the team as we have a chance.

[jgriffin]

A bit of old fashioned dog in the second half from Tigers but we only
got a draw because Biggar missed all those kicks.
Frankly they made us look poor plodders and their flair play was lovely to see.
In Foto they had the outstanding player on the field by a mile.Their 7 .8, 10 and 15 were also sheer class.
Why on earth don't our players perform like that, off-loading at speed to support players.
Most disappointing were the restarts and the kicking away of so much hard
won possession. We didn't get anywhere near even the short kicks.
Either Flood lacks the vision and ability to do this or he is playing to orders,
either way, it was painful to watch compared to the stuff Ospreys played.
As for chasers, we haven't had a decent one since Moody left.
OK, we may just beat Toulous at home but a place in the finals?
Not a hope.

Have pointed this out week after week for over two seasons and yet the happy-clappers still moan on about getting behind the team, not a real supporter, and similar spheroids.

[Cardiff Tig]

A bit of old fashioned dog in the second half from Tigers but we only
got a draw because Biggar missed all those kicks.
Frankly they made us look poor plodders and their flair play was lovely to see.
In Foto they had the outstanding player on the field by a mile.Their 7 .8, 10 and 15 were also sheer class.
Why on earth don't our players perform like that, off-loading at speed to support players.
Most disappointing were the restarts and the kicking away of so much hard
won possession. We didn't get anywhere near even the short kicks.
Either Flood lacks the vision and ability to do this or he is playing to orders,
either way, it was painful to watch compared to the stuff Ospreys played.
As for chasers, we haven't had a decent one since Moody left.
OK, we may just beat Toulous at home but a place in the finals?
Not a hope.

Have pointed this out week after week for over two seasons and yet the happy-clappers still moan on about getting behind the team, not a real supporter, and similar spheroids.

Yes, and apart from 3 (?) players missing tackles on Walker at then end we would have won. We can all go on about the missed kicks but that would have changed the game completely for both sides. One of the Biggar penalties seemed to be given after Jones had bound on to Ayerza's arm, and the one that hit the bar was due to Biggar's range.

You go on about the Ospreys play but for all their snazzy offloading they actually didn't threaten the try line that much. It was a good away performance from Tigers against a good team. We have the best away record in our group at the moment, and when Toulouse and Ospreys are in the group its quite an achievement.

[parkerd68]

One of the Biggar penalties seemed to be given after Jones had bound on to Ayerza's arm, and the one that hit the bar was due to Biggar's range.

Agreed. My thoughts at the time were (Minus the expletives!), "he's penalised Ayerza for not binding, yet he can't get his bind because Jones was on his arm, pulling it down. So how can he get a bind?" And all right in front of the ref.

As much as we might do it too, it does seem that refs are overlooking the binding on the arm law. I'm not a front rower, but I've spotted it a lot, in ours and other games.

[mightymouse]

I thought we played well for large parts of the 2nd half against a very good Ospreys team with a good pack and lots of flair. Few team have bested their scrummage (whenAdam jones was in it) and with Cole and Ayerza we had them (justy hope Marcos hamstring is ok)

What I thought most worrying was our inability to close out a game which we had won with 5 minutes left on the clock and in possesion.

To box kick down the throat of their most exciting runner who had already damaged us just shows no thought.

That ball should either have been rumbled on for 5 minutes or if that was considered too risky then given to the flyhalf for a cross field kick to their right wing into their 22 with a good aligned kick chase.

Instead you have the left wing running cross field in open space evaded 1 on 1 chasers - he skinned us (well 5 of them) and made us pay

[Smurphswillgetya]

One of the Biggar penalties seemed to be given after Jones had bound on to Ayerza's arm, and the one that hit the bar was due to Biggar's range.

Agreed. My thoughts at the time were (Minus the expletives!), "he's penalised Ayerza for not binding, yet he can't get his bind because Jones was on his arm, pulling it down. So how can he get a bind?" And all right in front of the ref.

As much as we might do it too, it does seem that refs are overlooking the binding on the arm law. I'm not a front rower, but I've spotted it a lot, in ours and other games.

Agree with you on the binding. Also penalty against Cole should not have been given as he was on his feet. They didn't get penalised for similar offences. People are going about how good Ospreys were etc but they needed a bonus point win and didn't even come close. A good away performance.