Seru fined by the club

tigerman · Post by **tigerman** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 6:26 am

Why do you need to know all the facts??? Its a private work matter between employer & employee, would you really want the whole world to know all your private work details, i think not, so why not just leave it rather than harping on & on about it.

Bill W · Post by **Bill W** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 1:40 pm

tigerman wrote:Why do you need to know all the facts??? Its a private work matter between employer & employee, would you really want the whole world to know all your private work details, i think not, so why not just leave it rather than harping on & on about it.

Well in most if not all professional walks of life the transcripts of disciplinary hearings are published. And indeed the RFU have published transcripts of previous hearings including the reasons for the choice of sentence.

It is called transparency.

If Tigers (and the RFU) wish to keep things secret why did they tell us the hearings were taking place? And why leak the sentences to the press?

tigerzzz · Post by **tigerzzz** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:37 pm

Bill W wrote:
tigerzzz wrote:
Seru asked before he played the first tournament. He was told that he couldn't play, but he did it anyways, was told he'd get punished etc etc....he then went and played two more tournaments! the guy is an idiot
Source please?

no can do but I can assure you it's genuine

Bill W · Post by **Bill W** » Mon Aug 18, 2008 5:45 pm

tigerzzz wrote: no can do but I can assure you it's genuine

I do not doubt its genuineness - but it would gain credibility if it came from an authoritative source.

And if it is indeed true - why do Tigers and RFU not publish it?

MPG · Post by **MPG** » Wed Aug 20, 2008 1:16 pm

The RFU will publish the transcript of the hearing (as do ERC) but it usually takes sometime for them to do so - especially if there is likely to be an appeal.

No appeal in this case now I believe - but holiday season may also have something to do with the delay.

Bill W · Post by **Bill W** » Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:34 pm

Parkinson's Law of Delay (aka Parkinson Fifth Law)

Delay is the deadliest form of denial

Bill W · Post by **Bill W** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:04 pm

As if my magic, this thread is now restored! Great!!

RFU transcript still unnavailable. News from Tigers absent.

So are "the facts" as ascribed to Simon Cohen indeed true. And what explanation is there for the "two week lag"?

Tigerbeat · Post by **Tigerbeat** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:07 pm

It has always been there as far I know.

Bill W · Post by **Bill W** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:10 pm

It wasn't 45 minutes ago. Some transparency at least has been restored!

Rizzo · Post by **Rizzo** » Sun Aug 24, 2008 10:37 pm

To the best of my knowledge if a thread is deleted it cannot be retrieved. Neither Tigerbeat nor I deleted any threads today.

Bill W · Post by **Bill W** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 1:22 am

Ah!!! The unknown hand of the great censor in the sky!!!!

Bill W · Post by **Bill W** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:14 pm

It is now over four weeks ago (July 24th) that Seru was banned.

And still the transcript of the hearing is not available on the RFU website nor has their been any official announcement by Tigers of the results of their own internal disciplinary procedures.

No explanation is available from the RFU or from Tigers as to their acceptance of, the two week pause between the end of his previous ban (under which he played sevens) and the commencement of the nine week ban.

Why?

Rizzo · Post by **Rizzo** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:19 pm

Why don't you try emailing either or both and asking?
I doubt you'll get a reply explaining anything on a messageboard.

Bill W · Post by **Bill W** » Mon Aug 25, 2008 10:41 pm

I have Rizzo.

But the issue is not whether they can offer explanations to me or others as private individuals but why these explanations are kept out of the public domain and merely dealt with by "leaks" to the press.

A significant lack of transparency.

An (effective) 11 week ban, plus financial punishments surely deserves some public explanation.

Makes the FIA fine on Ferrari of Euros 10000 look clean!!! (Had Maclaren done the same it would have been an immediate drive through!!)

Clearly Wheeler though "dissapointed" accepted that the club and Seru were guilty. The two week pause he has not challenged. I may (or may not) accept his reasons and the RFU's reasons for applying what I believe is an unprecidented sentence.

I do, however, believe that the RFU and the Club have a duty to publish these reasons. Not, necessarily, because I disagree with them, but becuase I do believe in transparency.

And that is why I post this on this board.

Bill W · Post by **Bill W** » Thu Aug 28, 2008 9:01 pm

And still the RFU and Tigers remain silent. Take my hat of to you Peter, superb skills in getting RFU to go along with your "sweeping it under the carpet!" Brilliant!!

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Seru fined by the club

Hearing transcript