RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by BFG » Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:35 am

I'd only sing Swing Low in shower.
Never sang it at the rugby.
I'm fine with others singing it apart from when some arm waving beer sloshing half cut fool in front is blocking everyone's view whilst singing out of tune.
This saga again raises the important question though, why didn't someone get Martin Offiah a highly paid temp job to play for England at the 1991 World Cup?

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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by jgriffin » Sat Jun 20, 2020 10:53 am

Tiglon wrote:
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I'm with Martin Offiah - they're right to raise the issue, but let's put a positive spin on the song and use it to promote BLM and togetherness, not let it became a symbol of division. Then, focus on the real problems and build a fairer and more inclusive society.

The whole idea of banning Swing Low leaves me utterly baffled. If someone could explain the logic I would be eternally grateful.
I think the RFU are trying to obscure the fact that they have never been as inclusive as they might wish. As usual, they jumped on the wrong horse for the wrong reasons.
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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by chewbacca » Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:48 pm

I shall stop listening to Beethoven and Mahler as they were favoured by Hitler
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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by Tiglon » Sat Jun 20, 2020 1:32 pm

chewbacca wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:48 pm
I shall stop listening to Beethoven and Mahler as they were favoured by Hitler
The funny thing is, the nazis banned Swing Low. So, if we follow the logic of banning Swing Low, we should only sing songs that Hitler liked. :smt017

Or instead we could continue singing a beautiful song that celebrates the life and talent of a man who was cruelly enslaved. I know which sounds less racist to me.

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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by jgriffin » Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:00 pm

Well, it distracted us from considering other far more worthy issue in the world, or even with the RFU. It's a dead cat.
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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by WhitecapTiger » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:13 pm

chewbacca wrote:
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I shall stop listening to Beethoven and Mahler as they were favoured by Hitler
Then you'd also better add Wagner to your list.
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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by Wayne Richardson Fan Club » Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:43 pm

WhitecapTiger wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 4:13 pm
chewbacca wrote:
Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:48 pm
I shall stop listening to Beethoven and Mahler as they were favoured by Hitler
Then you'd also better add Wagner to your list.
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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by kk20gb30 » Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:35 am

Welsh anthem 'Delilah' could be next ......
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/welsh-an ... offensive/
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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by Tiglon » Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:33 am

kk20gb30 wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:35 am
Welsh anthem 'Delilah' could be next ......
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/welsh-an ... offensive/
I kind of get this one, the idea of singing a song about stabbing a woman for cheating on you is a bit odd - particularly at a rugby match. However...

We'll need to ban all movies that depict any kind of violence too, in this case. So we'll all be watching Disney movies only, except Walt Disney was racist so we can't watch those either.

Most books will need to be destroyed, especially the "classics". War and Peace is full of casual and accepted violence against women, so we'd better burn every copy of that.

Classic opera usually involves portrayals of violence, often to women, so the Royal Opera House will need to be shut down or repurposed.

Shakespeare, as mentioned in the article, falls into the same category. No more of that please.

Almost every country in the world was founded on violence, so we'll have to forget the idea of nations and governments.

Almost every culture has violence, sexism and slavery in its history, so the only solution is the end of the human race. The animals can take over... but, only the nice vegetarian ones.

The world has gone genuinely mad.

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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by jgriffin » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:16 am

I'd go back on the tablets if I were you :smt005
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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by Scott1 » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:20 am

Made me laugh but hes absolutely right,cant just pick and choose what offends!

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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by Traveller » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:22 am

Tiglon wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:33 am
kk20gb30 wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 8:35 am
Welsh anthem 'Delilah' could be next ......
https://www.rugbypass.com/news/welsh-an ... offensive/
I kind of get this one, the idea of singing a song about stabbing a woman for cheating on you is a bit odd - particularly at a rugby match. However...

We'll need to ban all movies that depict any kind of violence too, in this case. So we'll all be watching Disney movies only, except Walt Disney was racist so we can't watch those either.

Most books will need to be destroyed, especially the "classics". War and Peace is full of casual and accepted violence against women, so we'd better burn every copy of that.

Classic opera usually involves portrayals of violence, often to women, so the Royal Opera House will need to be shut down or repurposed.

Shakespeare, as mentioned in the article, falls into the same category. No more of that please.

Almost every country in the world was founded on violence, so we'll have to forget the idea of nations and governments.

Almost every culture has violence, sexism and slavery in its history, so the only solution is the end of the human race. The animals can take over... but, only the nice vegetarian ones.

The world has gone genuinely mad.
Agreed. It's a world gone genuinely mad, all this political correctness. Anyway got to dash I've got another Bernard Manning video to watch.

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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by Tiglon » Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:26 am

jgriffin wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:16 am
I'd go back on the tablets if I were you :smt005
Last time I tried that I broke the screen on my iPad...

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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by WhitecapTiger » Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:13 pm

Scott1 wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:32 am
Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners.
You should learn the discipline of Crimestop. :smt002 :smt005
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Re: RFU To Review The Use of 'Swing Low,Sweet Chariot' ; Connotations of Slavery ?

Post by jgriffin » Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:30 pm

WhitecapTiger wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 12:13 pm
Scott1 wrote:
Sun Jun 21, 2020 11:32 am
Political correctness is fascism pretending to be manners.
You should learn the discipline of Crimestop. :smt002 :smt005
Nicked from the old Leninist/Maoist ideological tradition (by the Daily Mail in the 80s) and linked to the 'cultural Marxism' term invented in the states as a counter to imported academic (European and Jewish) liberalism by an obscure US far right academic called Shroyer, actually the term is a blanket dismissal used by far right commentators and politicians.
There's nothing about the OP that involves anything but the RFU jumping on a bandwagon and being seen to 'do something'. As a card carrying lefty who is a carnivore, doesn't wear sandals and is not a pacifist, a moment's research should have told the RFU this was simply silly.
And it's a :censored: song. :smt035
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