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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by h's dad » Wed Sep 12, 2012 9:59 am

"Stunning" find to be announced today.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9535 ... d-III.html
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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by CJ » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:45 am

astounding. I do hope the bones are his. shows how exciting archaeology can be.

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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by CJ » Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:11 pm

just heard on the BBC news that the bones they found show spinal abnormalities. Now, I always thought the 'hunchback' and withered arm were made up by Shakespeare and not true at all. Interesting!

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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by Rizzo » Wed Sep 12, 2012 1:05 pm

The statement by the University team is here
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ucdndp9zxc9t2 ... tember.pdf

"On Friday 31st August 2012 the University of Leicester applied to the Ministry of Justice under the 1857 Burials Act for permission to commence the exhumation of human remains found at the Grey Friars site in Leicester.
Exhumation commenced on Tuesday 4th September 2012 and has continued to this morning. The work was conducted by Dr Turi King from the University’s department of Genetics and Dr Jo Appleby & Mathew Morris of our School of Archaeology & Ancient History.
We have exhumed one fully articulated skeleton and one set of disarticulated human remains. The disarticulated set of human remains was found in what is believed to be the Presbytery of the lost Church of the Grey Friars. These remains are female, and thus certainly not Richard III.
The articulated skeleton was found in what is believed to be the Choir of the church.
The articulated skeleton found in the Choir is of significant interest to us. Dr Jo Appleby has carried out a preliminary examination of the remains. There are five reasons for our interest:
1. The remains are in good condition and appear to be of an adult male.
2. The Choir is the area reported in the historical record as the burial place of King Richard III. John Rous, reports that Richard ”at last was buried in the choir of the Friars Minor at Leicester”. 3. The skeleton, on initial examination, appears to have suffered significant peri-mortem trauma to the skull which appears consistent with (although not certainly caused by) an injury received in battle. A bladed implement appears to have cleaved part of the rear of the skull. 4. A barbed metal arrowhead was found between vertebrae of the skeleton’s upper back. 5. The skeleton found in the Choir area has spinal abnormalities. We believe the individual would have had severe scoliosis – which is a form of spinal curvature. This would have made his right shoulder appear visibly higher than the left shoulder. This is consistent with contemporary accounts of Richard’s appearance. The skeleton does not have kyphosis – a different form of spinal curvature. The skeleton was not a hunchback. There appears to be no evidence of a “withered arm”.
Both sets of remains are now at an undisclosed location where further analysis is being undertaken.
I need to be very frank with you. The University has always been clear that any remains would need to be subjected to rigorous laboratory and DNA analysis before we confirm the outcome of the search for Richard III. We are not saying today that we have found King Richard III. What we are saying is that the Search for Richard III has entered a new phase. Our focus is shifting from the archaeological excavation to laboratory analysis. This skeleton certainly has characteristics that warrant extensive further detailed examination.
Dr Jo Appleby is undertaking further work to examine the remains. Dr Turi King from our department of Genetics will lead the laboratory analysis. The results of this analysis are expected to take up to 12 weeks.
I should emphasise that all human remains found at the site are being treated in full accordance with the University of Leicester’s ethical policy for dealing with human remains
Clearly we are all very excited by these latest discoveries. We have said finding Richard was a long-shot. However it is a testament to the skill of the archaeological team led by Richard Buckley that such extensive progress has been made. We have all been witness to a powerful and historic story unfolding before our eyes. It is proper that the
University now subjects the findings to rigorous analysis so that the strong circumstantial evidence that has presented itself can be properly understood.
This is potentially a historic moment for the University and City of Leicester. "
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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by Bill W (2) » Wed Sep 12, 2012 10:52 pm

This is incredibly exciting!!!

Likely DNA analysis will reveal that it is Richard - who had a spinal deformity but was not a hunchback. But who was the young lady?

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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by fleabane » Thu Sep 13, 2012 12:18 pm

Cheerleader? :smt002
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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by Bill W (2) » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:08 pm

fleabane wrote:Cheerleader? :smt002
Were they around in Richard 111 time? A Nun perhaps?

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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by fleabane » Thu Sep 13, 2012 9:16 pm

By all accounts, o6ften the same thing, Bill!
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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by Bill W (2) » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:05 pm

You may be right. Or a courtesan perhaps?

Or maybe an innocent bystander?

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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by Rizzo » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:57 pm

If any of you have been down to the Open Days, there's a gallery of pictures here....and some people in Tigers shirts :)

http://www.thisisleicestershire.co.uk/p ... tures.html
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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by fleabane » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:03 pm

Brilliant, thanks Rizzo!
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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by Bill W (2) » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:31 pm

Should it prove to be Richard, should he be reburied in a Tigers shirt?

A Sale shirt (Yorkist) would seem somewhat innapropriate!

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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by tigerburnie » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:24 pm

Did you see Dara O'Brian on Mock the Week do his bit on Dicky3?
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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by Kinoulton » Fri Sep 21, 2012 2:05 pm

This is fascinating stuff. I'm not a twitterer, but someone should tweet Stephen Fry about this. It's ideal for QI.
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Re: Richard causes excitement in Tigerland!

Post by Rizzo » Sat Sep 22, 2012 5:42 pm

tigerburnie wrote:Did you see Dara O'Brian on Mock the Week do his bit on Dicky3?

Yes - very funny. Based on the Olivier portrayal of Shakespeare's Richard III I think - which my daughter as an MA student of Shakespeare found very amusing.

There was an interesting "aside" on Radio Leicester the other day, referring to the female remains found outside the Greyfriars wall, which were not in a grave as such and were what the archaeologist called "charnel" - meaning they were older remains which had probably been re-buried as bones in a small plot all jumbled up. Apparently when they built the High Cross centre, some charnel remains were found under there on the site of the old High Cross church - and they were taken to Gilroes cemetery and re-buried there in a special area reserved for such things. There is some discussion as to whether the female remains found at this dig will be kept for a while for study and research, but they will eventually be buried with the other charnel remains at Gilroes.

Richard (assuming they prove it is him) could be buried in Westminster Abbey near his wife Anne Neville, he could be buried at Sheriff Hutton where his son lies, or at York which was "his" city and where he had left instructions to start a chancel being built with the intention that he should be buried there eventually. Or he could be buried in Leicester Cathedral, near where he has lain for over 500 years.
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