Who cares about "green" issues?

[Kinoulton]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18978483

This is stunning photographic stuff which is hard to ignore.

Ice two miles thick that's gone in a jiffy?

[Bill W (2)]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18978483

This is stunning photographic stuff which is hard to ignore.

Ice two miles thick that's gone in a jiffy?

'Tis all right Kinny it happens every 150 years or so they reckon!

[Rizzo]

I have a friend who is a wildlife cameraman, he's currently filming in Svalbard & tells me the locals say there was noticeably less thick sea ice, and it melted faster, some of the Inuit say the ice edge where they hunt is decreasing each year.

I do believe it can go in cycles, but events like this Greenland ice melt and the tales the Inuit are telling about lack of sea ice in winter compared to 10 years ago do make you think.

[Skin_and_Muscle]

For some reason this made me think of a cartoon I came across a while back - took some finding but:

http://www.lolbrary.com/post/3811/this-is-true/

[Bill W (2)]

When is the next "ice age" scheduled?

[fleabane]

At about 6.30pm Bill, in my G&T.

Seriously, climate change is already causing significant questions to be asked - what crops can be grown and where, for example. Forget America's Breadbasket, forget the English Oak, Spain's olive groves, the North Atlantic Drift, Gulf Stream . . . . .

Don't Panic! It will be in our children's lifetime, not ours!

[Mr Bean]

When is the next "ice age" scheduled?

Geologically we are still in an ice age as there is Ice at both the poles.

[Kinoulton]

I suppose when the Yellowstone National Park and California's Long Valley Caldera erupt we'll all be in the middle of a tremendous nuclear ice age.

However, we'll be dead.

[DickyP]

Whether the issues are as bad as the panic button pushers say or as inconsequential as their opponents contend I don't know. What I do know is that we need sensible reactions to actual problems not panic measures.
Like, for instance, unleaded petrol which has had at least 300% more environmental impact than the leaded it replaced according to the UN, and energy saving light bulbs which has environmental impact improvements predicated on their lives being several hundred percent longer than the old incandescent ones: according to the latest figures, however, their actual lives are barely 15% better.

[Bill W (2)]

Personally I am unimpressed with unleaded light bulbs.

[Kinoulton]

It was Samuel Johnson who said: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."

Of course he was referring to false patriotism and now the same can be said for false greenism.

Whenever the scoundrels want to stop doing things for us (like empty the bins) then say it's a green thing. When they want to stuff taxes on petrol they say it's to stop people driving as much.

It's all poppycock. I don't know a single person who likes to sit in a tin going nowhere on the M25, M6, M1, M62. We do it because there are not enough jobs near where we live.

[DickyP]

It was Samuel Johnson who said: "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."

Of course he was referring to false patriotism and now the same can be said for false greenism.

Whenever the scoundrels want to stop doing things for us (like empty the bins) then say it's a green thing. When they want to stuff taxes on petrol they say it's to stop people driving as much.

It's all poppycock. I don't know a single person who likes to sit in a tin going nowhere on the M25, M6, M1, M62. We do it because there are not enough jobs near where we live.

Or, more importantly, we do it because 1) it is the only way to get somewhere - no buses, no trains so I use a car; or 2) we do it because we can't afford other forms of transport - it's cheaper to drive 4 people to a Tigers game and pay a £70 fine for parking illegally than to go by train!

[CJ]

If you have ever read 'Fingerprints of the gods', you will know that Antarctica was not always covered with ice. brilliant book, by the way.

[DickyP]

If you have ever read 'Fingerprints of the gods', you will know that Antarctica was not always covered with ice. brilliant book, by the way.

And also the UN's own figures that show that the ice sheet in 2011/12 was the biggest it had been for more than 40 years!

[Bill W (2)]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19077439

Global cooling?