smokers outside pubs

madoqua · Post by **madoqua** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:26 pm

I don't smoke.

I grew up in a family of smokers and it doesn't bother me.

Ever noticed though when you drive past a pub that the folks outside having a drag are often the types you wouldn't want to mix with?

Wonder why?

Headers · Post by **Headers** » Sat May 31, 2008 7:08 am

Went out for a meal last night to the Cedars in Eventon village and felt intimidated by the cancer stick holders out side the place,we where not made to feel welcome until you are inside,it should be baned completely form pubs . And do not tell me that it will affect trade because the place was heaving with families enjoying a wonderful summers night

westwinds31 · Post by **westwinds31** » Sat May 31, 2008 7:59 pm

Oh please !!....and soon no talking and no breathing in public !!

madoqua · Post by **madoqua** » Sun Jun 01, 2008 8:32 pm

Oooooooooooohhhh tetchy!!

More anti social weed needed.

Breathing should been banned cos it smells.

Smokers should be encased in fire-proof bubble wrap.

tigerman · Post by **tigerman** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 7:05 am

BelperJon wrote

the next time you need medical attention on the NHS (which I hope wonâ€™t be for a long time), part of that will be paid for by tobacco tax.

Well if there was no smoking & no tobacco tax, they would still find another tax to help pay for medical attention on the nhs, plus smoking causes a lot of people to seek medical attention on the nhs in the first place.

Iain · Post by **Iain** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:58 am

For crying out loud. I am a smoker. I know it is bad for me, I know its a stupid habit, but hey I bowed to peer pressure at 15 and got addicted.

The smoking ban came in. I didn't particularly mind. I don't wish to force others to inhale my smoke. So I cheerfully accepted that I would now have to go outside. No smoker really complained, and nobody flouts it.

We are happy to stand out of the way so people don't get inconvenienced. Yet clearly even that isn't enough persecution!

cornish tigress · Post by **cornish tigress** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 1:05 pm

I think there needs to some sort of exclusion zone around the doors to pubs. Often it is a bit intimidating to have to bash your way through a pile of smokers just to get in. In some venues though that would be very hard particularly in town centres.

I agree BJ about the never a non smoker thing. I gave up 22 years ago and I still think of myself as a smoker who isn't at the moment.

madoqua · Post by **madoqua** » Mon Jun 02, 2008 11:41 pm

I agree that some smokers don't fit the football shirt wearing, fat gutted, spitting types one often sees outside pubs.

I just don't understand why so many intelligent and articulate peeps get into such a silly and deadly habit.

I also don't understand drug taking and drinking ones self into a stupor.

Perhaps I'm just thick.

Tiger Eye · Post by **Tiger Eye** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 8:17 pm

http://www.tigers.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=16944

Different topic title but more or less the same.

Gate · Post by **Gate** » Tue Jun 03, 2008 9:30 pm

westwinds31 wrote:Oh please !!....and soon no talking and no breathing in public !!

You mean you want smokers to be able to breathe?

Dangerous radical, you are.

jonesy7 · Post by **jonesy7** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 1:55 am

In the summer people complain its too hot.
In the winter people complan its too cold.

People indoors complain when smokers smoke indoors.
People outside complain when smokers smoke outside.

:D

dailywaffle · Post by **dailywaffle** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 7:39 am

BelperJon wrote:As for smoking causing people to seek medical attention on the NHS in the first place, I do not deny this but I would be interested to see definitive figures on how much it costs the NHS to treat smoking-related problems compared to how much it receives directly from tobacco tax.

There are different figures floating around, but there is no doubt that HMRC receives far more revenue from tobacco products than the NHS spends on smoking related illnesses. The ratio is probably around 6:1, although there are some arguments at the margins.

But this is far too narrow a definition of cost. It does not include lost production to the UK economy, subsidies to tobacco growers, fires and accidents and other social costs. Even leaving aside the emotional cost of tobacco addiction.

Focussing on tax v NHS spend is only looking at a very small part of the overall issue. Its probably impossible to put an accurate number on the 'total' cost of smoking, but it may well dwarf the £10-12B it raises in revenue.

Trout 63 · Post by **Trout 63** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 10:37 am

Lies
Damn Lies
& Statistics

Some people obviously need to find a better quality of pub

dailywaffle · Post by **dailywaffle** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 2:14 pm

Trout 63 wrote:Lies
Damn Lies
& Statistics

I agree. Which is why the debate shouldn't really be about cost/revenue.

Kinoulton · Post by **Kinoulton** » Wed Jun 04, 2008 3:00 pm

If non-smokers have to be so bl**dy intolerant then I think I'll take up the deadly weed just so that I'm not counted amongst these whingers.

I don't like noisy children in pubs, or people who eat messily, or talk too loudly on their mobiles, or stubbornly refuse to leave their "spot" at the bar even though they can see they are in the way of people trying to get served.

I don't like non-drinking teenagers who just hang around fruit machines looking sullen. I don't like old people who spend 50 or 60 minutes dithering over their food order whilst the barmaid could have poured my pint in 10 seconds, but I'm still waiting.

Let's chuck them all out with the smokers and I'll have just the pub I want, all to myself