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Re: Exeter Chiefs

Post by h's dad » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:54 pm

Thanks for this. I never said there there weren't any American Indians who were genuinely offended. As another poster asked previously, what proportion of the affected group needs to be offended and object for action to be taken?

The letter tears at the heartstrings when it says 'Until 1960, indigenous people didn't have voting rights as prior to that we weren't considered "human"'. I was so shocked and upset I looked up the detail for both the United States and Canada. It really doesn't seem to be true for either country.

While American Indians have been horrifically, really horrifically treated by both the US and Canada, please let's stick to facts.
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Re: Exeter Chiefs

Post by wellstiger » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:59 pm

Please can we now leave this debate to every ones self consciousness.
Exeter have has their review and a decision has been made (Rightly or wrongly).
I am all for education and welcome debate and open to learning.
However I seriously object to being micro managed by the thought police and the argument that "My way is the only true way"

Now I'm going to get off my soap box. Turn the noise down and revel in the anticipation OF MY OWN CLUB. I believe that the "sometimes" hostile debating will turn Exeter fans ( who have enlarge ) admired Tigers and what we stood for, bitter.
I for one welcome all clubs and supporters equally. We all have the same human traits,frailties and consciences. :smt022

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Re: Exeter Chiefs

Post by h's dad » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:04 pm

ourla wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:20 pm
they are seen as items of great spiritual and political importance, only to be worn by those who have earned the right and honour through formal recognition by their people.
My bold.

I just don't think they have any legitimate reason to use the headdress as a symbol but worse than that they've taken something that actually as real meaning to those who wear it.

I just don't get it to be honest.
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Then why do American Indians make and sell them to outsiders?

By the same token isn't having a Beefeater on a bottle of gin or as a cartoon caricature on a burger equally offensive. Beefeaters are people who have put in 22+ years of exemplary service to their country. Don't they have an equal right to recognition and dignity?
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Re: Exeter Chiefs

Post by DeadlyDunc » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:11 pm

h's dad wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:04 pm
ourla wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:20 pm
they are seen as items of great spiritual and political importance, only to be worn by those who have earned the right and honour through formal recognition by their people.
My bold.

I just don't think they have any legitimate reason to use the headdress as a symbol but worse than that they've taken something that actually as real meaning to those who wear it.

I just don't get it to be honest.
Then why do American Indians make and sell them to outsiders?

By the same token isn't having a Beefeater on a bottle of gin or as a cartoon caricature on a burger equally offensive. Beefeaters are people who have put in 22+ years of exemplary service to their country. Don't they have an equal right to recognition and dignity?
[/quote]

Wow

That’s quite the take

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Re: Exeter Chiefs

Post by h's dad » Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:19 pm

DeadlyDunc wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:11 pm
h's dad wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:04 pm
ourla wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:20 pm
they are seen as items of great spiritual and political importance, only to be worn by those who have earned the right and honour through formal recognition by their people.
My bold.

I just don't think they have any legitimate reason to use the headdress as a symbol but worse than that they've taken something that actually as real meaning to those who wear it.

I just don't get it to be honest.
Then why do American Indians make and sell them to outsiders?

By the same token isn't having a Beefeater on a bottle of gin or as a cartoon caricature on a burger equally offensive. Beefeaters are people who have put in 22+ years of exemplary service to their country. Don't they have an equal right to recognition and dignity?
Wow

That’s quite the take
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Would you care to clarify? Or is that your best argument?
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Re: Exeter Chiefs

Post by ourla » Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:29 pm

h's dad wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:04 pm
ourla wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:20 pm
they are seen as items of great spiritual and political importance, only to be worn by those who have earned the right and honour through formal recognition by their people.
My bold.

I just don't think they have any legitimate reason to use the headdress as a symbol but worse than that they've taken something that actually as real meaning to those who wear it.

I just don't get it to be honest.
Then why do American Indians make and sell them to outsiders?
Do they?
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Re: Exeter Chiefs

Post by VernonAtrium » Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:17 pm

jgriffin wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 3:17 pm
While you all argue pointlessly, what a marketing opportunity has been missed!
Far more used in the Exe area is the term "lover" or "my lover", as a familiarity, not a statement of fact.
Rebrand as Exeter Lovers - not only a tourist coup but infinite possibilities for marketing campaigns and images. :smt052
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Re: Exeter Chiefs

Post by h's dad » Sat Aug 01, 2020 12:06 am

ourla wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:29 pm
h's dad wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:04 pm
ourla wrote:
Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:20 pm


My bold.

I just don't think they have any legitimate reason to use the headdress as a symbol but worse than that they've taken something that actually as real meaning to those who wear it.

I just don't get it to be honest.
Then why do American Indians make and sell them to outsiders?
Do they?
Yes.

To expand, it is easy to find a number of businesses that advertise headdresses with certificate of authenticity and the name and registered tribal affiliation details of the maker. Of course this may be flim flam but if it was I would have expected the activists to have made a high profile case in the US courts out of it with a higher priority than complaining about Exeter Chiefs.
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Re: Exeter Chiefs

Post by kk20gb30 » Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:45 am

Seems we wont be hearing the 'Tomahawk Chop' chant come re-start as BT opt to remove it from the simulated crowd noise:

https://www.rugbypass.com/news/exeter-c ... y-restart/

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