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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2022/23 - Prisoner of Oadby Pre-Season

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sk 88 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:28 pm Think it is very disrespectful to the leavers to not announce who has left and who has stayed.

Their last day of employment is literally today, we talk about valuing all the players and all their contributions contributing to the success of the whole but then don't even acknowledge those leaving until the very last moment, assuming we do eventually bother to do anything.

Given the level of employment a lot of these guys will be looking at is Championship, National 1, Pro D2, MLR, Italy or Spain these are levels where clubs rarely have recruitment specialists & the publicity of announcing their departure could seriously improve the players chances of landing a contract.

If it is only Socino (which I doubt) it is even worse as he publicly confirmed his status last week!

Similarly we've not announced which of our under 18s have signed professional terms and will be in the development squad next season. Hardly going to make them feel special & valued?
Just don’t buy into the disrespect talk their goodbyes will have been said to the other players and employees at the club.

Why are people so keen to see everything aired in public, the majority of fans will go oh I see he’s leaving, shame and move on, and no I don’t mean the big name players.
It’s professional sport they move on, though I do appreciate that due to current financial issues some may find it difficult to get another contract, but as a sportsman who’s career could be ended in a split second, I would hope they also have other strings to their bow.
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2022/23 - Prisoner of Oadby Pre-Season

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sk 88 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:28 pm Think it is very disrespectful to the leavers to not announce who has left and who has stayed.

Their last day of employment is literally today, we talk about valuing all the players and all their contributions contributing to the success of the whole but then don't even acknowledge those leaving until the very last moment, assuming we do eventually bother to do anything.

Given the level of employment a lot of these guys will be looking at is Championship, National 1, Pro D2, MLR, Italy or Spain these are levels where clubs rarely have recruitment specialists & the publicity of announcing their departure could seriously improve the players chances of landing a contract.

If it is only Socino (which I doubt) it is even worse as he publicly confirmed his status last week!

Similarly we've not announced which of our under 18s have signed professional terms and will be in the development squad next season. Hardly going to make them feel special & valued?
Saracens only put their list out yesterday, how can it be disrespectful? I reckon there are last minute deals being tied up.
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2022/23 - Prisoner of Oadby Pre-Season

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Rugbygramps wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:36 pm
sk 88 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:28 pm Think it is very disrespectful to the leavers to not announce who has left and who has stayed.

Their last day of employment is literally today, we talk about valuing all the players and all their contributions contributing to the success of the whole but then don't even acknowledge those leaving until the very last moment, assuming we do eventually bother to do anything.

Given the level of employment a lot of these guys will be looking at is Championship, National 1, Pro D2, MLR, Italy or Spain these are levels where clubs rarely have recruitment specialists & the publicity of announcing their departure could seriously improve the players chances of landing a contract.

If it is only Socino (which I doubt) it is even worse as he publicly confirmed his status last week!

Similarly we've not announced which of our under 18s have signed professional terms and will be in the development squad next season. Hardly going to make them feel special & valued?
Just don’t buy into the disrespect talk their goodbyes will have been said to the other players and employees at the club.

Why are people so keen to see everything aired in public, the majority of fans will go oh I see he’s leaving, shame and move on, and no I don’t mean the big name players.
It’s professional sport they move on, though I do appreciate that due to current financial issues some may find it difficult to get another contract, but as a sportsman who’s career could be ended in a split second, I would hope they also have other strings to their bow.
"Everything aired in public"

No one is asking for a detailed reasoning on not re-newing contracts. A simple factual statement saying who we will be paying to see next season would be fine.

Plenty of the players live locally, it is doing them a disrespect to make their contract status a secret so that fans who may seem them out and about ask them about looking forward to next season, rather than wishing them well. Similarly on social media players appreciate being appreciated.

What is GAINED by delaying it to the very last moment, assuming it does actually happen? The players have less time & publicity to arrange new contracts, particularly at the lower levels, it clearly annoys a reasonable slice of the fan base & I cannot for the life of me see a benefit to Tigers of doing it. Personally I'd have announced it before the last game of the regular season, as the disruption to the individuals happened when they were informed by the club, but I can understand the argument that that distracts from the play offs & they are the ultimate priority. Leaving it until they have actually left our employment looks petty.
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2022/23 - Prisoner of Oadby Pre-Season

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fentiger wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:39 pm
sk 88 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:28 pm Think it is very disrespectful to the leavers to not announce who has left and who has stayed.

Their last day of employment is literally today, we talk about valuing all the players and all their contributions contributing to the success of the whole but then don't even acknowledge those leaving until the very last moment, assuming we do eventually bother to do anything.

Given the level of employment a lot of these guys will be looking at is Championship, National 1, Pro D2, MLR, Italy or Spain these are levels where clubs rarely have recruitment specialists & the publicity of announcing their departure could seriously improve the players chances of landing a contract.

If it is only Socino (which I doubt) it is even worse as he publicly confirmed his status last week!

Similarly we've not announced which of our under 18s have signed professional terms and will be in the development squad next season. Hardly going to make them feel special & valued?
Saracens only put their list out yesterday, how can it be disrespectful? I reckon there are last minute deals being tied up.
As stated. It disrespects the efforts they put into the success of the season, and disrespects their ability to move on both literally & in a mental sense. Makes me think the club views them as a nuisance and something to be hidden, rather than something that inevitably happens every year & players to be celebrated.

I find the idea that any business is left to the literal last minute unlikely. If that were the case, it is always possible to announce those where decisions have been made then confirm any other departures later too. They are individuals, while a single announcement has advantages it isn't a necessity.
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2022/23 - Prisoner of Oadby Pre-Season

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sk 88 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:15 pm
fentiger wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:39 pm
sk 88 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:28 pm Think it is very disrespectful to the leavers to not announce who has left and who has stayed.

Their last day of employment is literally today, we talk about valuing all the players and all their contributions contributing to the success of the whole but then don't even acknowledge those leaving until the very last moment, assuming we do eventually bother to do anything.

Given the level of employment a lot of these guys will be looking at is Championship, National 1, Pro D2, MLR, Italy or Spain these are levels where clubs rarely have recruitment specialists & the publicity of announcing their departure could seriously improve the players chances of landing a contract.

If it is only Socino (which I doubt) it is even worse as he publicly confirmed his status last week!

Similarly we've not announced which of our under 18s have signed professional terms and will be in the development squad next season. Hardly going to make them feel special & valued?
Saracens only put their list out yesterday, how can it be disrespectful? I reckon there are last minute deals being tied up.
As stated. It disrespects the efforts they put into the success of the season, and disrespects their ability to move on both literally & in a mental sense. Makes me think the club views them as a nuisance and something to be hidden, rather than something that inevitably happens every year & players to be celebrated.

I find the idea that any business is left to the literal last minute unlikely. If that were the case, it is always possible to announce those where decisions have been made then confirm any other departures later too. They are individuals, while a single announcement has advantages it isn't a necessity.
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2022/23 - Prisoner of Oadby Pre-Season

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On Twitter Elliott from the Rolling Maul pod is saying they'll be announced tomorrow.
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It's the summer, club rugby is over for a while and so people need something to talk about. Happens during the down time on any sports forum. In this case, the next club topic to mull over is the ups and downs caused by people leaving as well as discussing the relevant strengths and weaknesses of the squad for next season, which we do not know in full.

It is basically the whole point of a club forum, to discuss the club and so it is only natural that people will be pushing for information on the next logical area of conversation.

As for the disrespect thing, I can see an issue if the intention was to have the leavers on the pitch at the end of the last home game. Once that had passed, the whole thing was always a bit of a moot point for me in that regard. Would not have wanted to see the leavers wheeled out at Twickenham as that would not have been fair to anyone irrespective of the result.

So, yes I am interested but more out of lack of rugby boredom than any feeling that anyone has been particularly hard done by now the last home game has passed.
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Re: LEICESTER TIGERS 2022/23 - Prisoner of Oadby Pre-Season

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sk 88 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:11 pm
Rugbygramps wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:36 pm
sk 88 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:28 pm Think it is very disrespectful to the leavers to not announce who has left and who has stayed.

Their last day of employment is literally today, we talk about valuing all the players and all their contributions contributing to the success of the whole but then don't even acknowledge those leaving until the very last moment, assuming we do eventually bother to do anything.

Given the level of employment a lot of these guys will be looking at is Championship, National 1, Pro D2, MLR, Italy or Spain these are levels where clubs rarely have recruitment specialists & the publicity of announcing their departure could seriously improve the players chances of landing a contract.

If it is only Socino (which I doubt) it is even worse as he publicly confirmed his status last week!

Similarly we've not announced which of our under 18s have signed professional terms and will be in the development squad next season. Hardly going to make them feel special & valued?
Just don’t buy into the disrespect talk their goodbyes will have been said to the other players and employees at the club.

Why are people so keen to see everything aired in public, the majority of fans will go oh I see he’s leaving, shame and move on, and no I don’t mean the big name players.
It’s professional sport they move on, though I do appreciate that due to current financial issues some may find it difficult to get another contract, but as a sportsman who’s career could be ended in a split second, I would hope they also have other strings to their bow.
"Everything aired in public"

No one is asking for a detailed reasoning on not re-newing contracts. A simple factual statement saying who we will be paying to see next season would be fine.

Plenty of the players live locally, it is doing them a disrespect to make their contract status a secret so that fans who may seem them out and about ask them about looking forward to next season, rather than wishing them well. Similarly on social media players appreciate being appreciated.

What is GAINED by delaying it to the very last moment, assuming it does actually happen? The players have less time & publicity to arrange new contracts, particularly at the lower levels, it clearly annoys a reasonable slice of the fan base & I cannot for the life of me see a benefit to Tigers of doing it. Personally I'd have announced it before the last game of the regular season, as the disruption to the individuals happened when they were informed by the club, but I can understand the argument that that distracts from the play offs & they are the ultimate priority. Leaving it until they have actually left our employment looks petty.
Why do the players need to seek new contracts in public, if you’re looking for a new job do you broadcast it. Looks petty to those interested. As for annoying a reasonable slice I think I have seen comments from around 4 people. If the announcements are made tomorrow how many people will still be talking about it on Monday or will there minds have moved onto Saturdays test matches.
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TigerFeetSteve wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:33 pm On Twitter Elliott from the Rolling Maul pod is saying they'll be announced tomorrow.
To be honest, as they haven't done it yet, tomorrow, being new pre-season day does make sense.
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GB72 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:34 pm It's the summer, club rugby is over for a while and so people need something to talk about. Happens during the down time on any sports forum. In this case, the next club topic to mull over is the ups and downs caused by people leaving as well as discussing the relevant strengths and weaknesses of the squad for next season, which we do not know in full.

It is basically the whole point of a club forum, to discuss the club and so it is only natural that people will be pushing for information on the next logical area of conversation.

As for the disrespect thing, I can see an issue if the intention was to have the leavers on the pitch at the end of the last home game. Once that had passed, the whole thing was always a bit of a moot point for me in that regard. Would not have wanted to see the leavers wheeled out at Twickenham as that would not have been fair to anyone irrespective of the result.

So, yes I am interested but more out of lack of rugby boredom than any feeling that anyone has been particularly hard done by now the last home game has passed.
Just to be clear that is the main point, my opinion on the respectfulness a secondary one.
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Rugbygramps wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:46 pm
sk 88 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 1:11 pm
Rugbygramps wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:36 pm

Just don’t buy into the disrespect talk their goodbyes will have been said to the other players and employees at the club.

Why are people so keen to see everything aired in public, the majority of fans will go oh I see he’s leaving, shame and move on, and no I don’t mean the big name players.
It’s professional sport they move on, though I do appreciate that due to current financial issues some may find it difficult to get another contract, but as a sportsman who’s career could be ended in a split second, I would hope they also have other strings to their bow.
"Everything aired in public"

No one is asking for a detailed reasoning on not re-newing contracts. A simple factual statement saying who we will be paying to see next season would be fine.

Plenty of the players live locally, it is doing them a disrespect to make their contract status a secret so that fans who may seem them out and about ask them about looking forward to next season, rather than wishing them well. Similarly on social media players appreciate being appreciated.

What is GAINED by delaying it to the very last moment, assuming it does actually happen? The players have less time & publicity to arrange new contracts, particularly at the lower levels, it clearly annoys a reasonable slice of the fan base & I cannot for the life of me see a benefit to Tigers of doing it. Personally I'd have announced it before the last game of the regular season, as the disruption to the individuals happened when they were informed by the club, but I can understand the argument that that distracts from the play offs & they are the ultimate priority. Leaving it until they have actually left our employment looks petty.
Why do the players need to seek new contracts in public, if you’re looking for a new job do you broadcast it. Looks petty to those interested. As for annoying a reasonable slice I think I have seen comments from around 4 people. If the announcements are made tomorrow how many people will still be talking about it on Monday or will there minds have moved onto Saturdays test matches.
Yes!?! If you are looking for a job all available publicity is good publicity!

And the second part is entirely the point. Get on with it EXACTLY so that people can move on with it.
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We are maybe going off the point and I wish people would move on as this has been going on since well before the final and the club will move when they are ready.
As for looking for a job I would suggest your first port of call would be specialist recruit / job agencies in your chosen field, which I would imagine are what these players will have done
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Its like wearing a chum suit and swimming in shark infested waters at times 😂
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Scott1 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:55 pm Its like wearing a chum suit and swimming in shark infested waters at times 😂
That does, indeed, sum it up. I just don't get that we are entitled? OK we're 'customers' but do multi nationals tell their customers exactly what is going on behind closed doors? :smt017
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fentiger wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 4:04 pm
Scott1 wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:55 pm Its like wearing a chum suit and swimming in shark infested waters at times 😂
That does, indeed, sum it up. I just don't get that we are entitled? OK we're 'customers' but do multi nationals tell their customers exactly what is going on behind closed doors? :smt017
Well said
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