England Squad for down under

[Scott1]

The other issue is that the high tackle means the tackler does not go to ground and can recycle themselves out of the ruck ready to be available to play turnover ball. Being pinned at the base of the ruck after a waist high tackle would be a tactical problem. There does seem to be a common 10 tackle technique.

Wilkinson was OK though, Carter,Pollard,Barrett is a very good tackler,I've seen Lozowski absolute melt a prop before. There's a few 10s who can tackle textbook wise. Maybe it's more of a tactic. I could maybe understand Ford but Farrell is a big FH

[Wayne Richardson Fan Club]

For those of us of a older vintage, Les Cusworth had a proper no.10 tackle technique....

Let someone else do it, often Dosser, not sure I ever saw Les make a tackle....still an absolute genius though.

[Leicestertinytiger]

The other issue is that the high tackle means the tackler does not go to ground and can recycle themselves out of the ruck ready to be available to play turnover ball. Being pinned at the base of the ruck after a waist high tackle would be a tactical problem. There does seem to be a common 10 tackle technique.

Wilkinson was OK though, Carter,Pollard,Barrett is a very good tackler,I've seen Lozowski absolute melt a prop before. There's a few 10s who can tackle textbook wise. Maybe it's more of a tactic. I could maybe understand Ford but Farrell is a big FH

Just a shame Lozowski got messed around playing 12 or 13. Think he even played wing against us once at WR. Could have been a very good 10 if he’d stuck playing there. Seen him absolutely smash forwards in the tackle.

[Tiglon]

The other issue is that the high tackle means the tackler does not go to ground and can recycle themselves out of the ruck ready to be available to play turnover ball. Being pinned at the base of the ruck after a waist high tackle would be a tactical problem. There does seem to be a common 10 tackle technique.

Wilkinson was OK though, Carter,Pollard,Barrett is a very good tackler,I've seen Lozowski absolute melt a prop before. There's a few 10s who can tackle textbook wise. Maybe it's more of a tactic. I could maybe understand Ford but Farrell is a big FH

Just a shame Lozowski got messed around playing 12 or 13. Think he even played wing against us once at WR. Could have been a very good 10 if he’d stuck playing there. Seen him absolutely smash forwards in the tackle.

That's probably exactly why he's been played in the centres. No one wants or needs a big-tackling fly half - it's a nice bonus but not important.

Most fly halves are making 4/5 tackles per 80 minutes, and almost it's almost always a double tackle with a back row forward or centre.

What coaches want is a fly half who will only get involved in the tackle area when he has to, so that he's free to do his actual role.

[Scott1]

Wilkinson was OK though, Carter,Pollard,Barrett is a very good tackler,I've seen Lozowski absolute melt a prop before. There's a few 10s who can tackle textbook wise. Maybe it's more of a tactic. I could maybe understand Ford but Farrell is a big FH

Just a shame Lozowski got messed around playing 12 or 13. Think he even played wing against us once at WR. Could have been a very good 10 if he’d stuck playing there. Seen him absolutely smash forwards in the tackle.

That's probably exactly why he's been played in the centres. No one wants or needs a big-tackling fly half - it's a nice bonus but not important.

Most fly halves are making 4/5 tackles per 80 minutes, and almost it's almost always a double tackle with a back row forward or centre.

What coaches want is a fly half who will only get involved in the tackle area when he has to, so that he's free to do his actual role.

But the opposition will always send one of their big carriers down the 10 channel and target him so most of the time the FH has no choice. See Ford,George 2019 RWC final for one of many references. Plus Farrell (who the debate is mostly about) plays 12 an awful lot and leads the defensive line. You would think the defensive leader should surely be able to tackle properly

[Darc Tiger]

Slade and Tuilagi both out.

Kelly's return may be timely.

[Scott1]

Slade and Tuilagi both out.

Kelly's return may be timely.

The whole tour?

[Darc Tiger]

Yep

[baz1664]

Manu seems just irreparable, the time has to come when he needs to admit defeat and the body has run its course for pro rugby.

Eddie needs to look out of the box abit more and focus on the future, Kelly for me has all the qualities for an international centre and will only get better.

[Scott1]

Yep

Wow,thanks! Kelly and Marchant perhaps? Wonder if both Smith and Farrell go to Oz

[Scott1]

Manu seems just irreparable, the time has to come when he needs to admit defeat and the body has run its course for pro rugby.

Eddie needs to look out of the box abit more and focus on the future, Kelly for me has all the qualities for an international centre and will only get better.

Yes,has the base to be an excellent 12 Baz! Time to get rid of this Farrell at 12 nonsense so he has to hold Smiths hand,play Smith OR Farrell at 10 and sort a proper MF out

[wigworth]

Manu seems just irreparable, the time has to come when he needs to admit defeat and the body has run its course for pro rugby.

Eddie needs to look out of the box abit more and focus on the future, Kelly for me has all the qualities for an international centre and will only get better.

I know it might be a good/right thing to do but why would Eddie look to the future? He is done after the world cup and he has clearly stated his goal is to win it, I would doubt there is much chance he is going to bring in anyone now who can't immediately contribute to that for the next 16 months. Not that you are wrong, Kelly will most likely be playing centre for England at some point but I can't see it being till after the world cup.

[Scott1]

Manu seems just irreparable, the time has to come when he needs to admit defeat and the body has run its course for pro rugby.

Eddie needs to look out of the box abit more and focus on the future, Kelly for me has all the qualities for an international centre and will only get better.

I know it might be a good/right thing to do but why would Eddie look to the future? He is done after the world cup and he has clearly stated his goal is to win it, I would doubt there is much chance he is going to bring in anyone now who can't immediately contribute to that for the next 16 months. Not that you are wrong Kelly will most likely be playing centre for England at some point but I can't see it being till after the world cup.

The thing is mate Smith/Farrell only really works with Manu at 13. Smith/Farrell/Slade would be as bad as Ford/Farrell/Slade and I don’t think much of that 10/12 pairing with Marchant or Daly outside them either! We have to seriously think that Manu isn’t playing in next years WC and plan for that. That to me means binning one of Smith or Farrell and we must start from now in this Oz tour

[wigworth]

Manu seems just irreparable, the time has to come when he needs to admit defeat and the body has run its course for pro rugby.

Eddie needs to look out of the box abit more and focus on the future, Kelly for me has all the qualities for an international centre and will only get better.

I know it might be a good/right thing to do but why would Eddie look to the future? He is done after the world cup and he has clearly stated his goal is to win it, I would doubt there is much chance he is going to bring in anyone now who can't immediately contribute to that for the next 16 months. Not that you are wrong Kelly will most likely be playing centre for England at some point but I can't see it being till after the world cup.

The thing is mate Smith/Farrell only really works with Manu at 13. Smith/Farrell/Slade would be as bad as Ford/Farrell/Slade and I don’t think much of that 10/12 pairing with Marchant or Daly outside them either! We have to seriously think that Manu isn’t playing in next years WC and plan for that. That to me means binning one of Smith or Farrell and we must start from now in this Oz tour

I don't see there is a away he drops either of them, if Eddie had to wrap Manu in cotton wool and not play him until the QF or SF I bet that is a risk he would take. As for centres I agree neither Marchant or Daly is particularly good as the sole centre if it is MS and OF at 10/12 but I don't think he will play them together.

[Scott1]

I know it might be a good/right thing to do but why would Eddie look to the future? He is done after the world cup and he has clearly stated his goal is to win it, I would doubt there is much chance he is going to bring in anyone now who can't immediately contribute to that for the next 16 months. Not that you are wrong Kelly will most likely be playing centre for England at some point but I can't see it being till after the world cup.

The thing is mate Smith/Farrell only really works with Manu at 13. Smith/Farrell/Slade would be as bad as Ford/Farrell/Slade and I don’t think much of that 10/12 pairing with Marchant or Daly outside them either! We have to seriously think that Manu isn’t playing in next years WC and plan for that. That to me means binning one of Smith or Farrell and we must start from now in this Oz tour

I don't see there is a away he drops either of them, if Eddie had to wrap Manu in cotton wool and not play him until the QF or SF I bet that is a risk he would take. As for centres I agree neither Marchant or Daly is particularly good as the sole centre if it is MS and OF at 10/12 but I don't think he will play them together.

That's probably what he will do,re the cotton wool comment. Big Joe or Lawrence at 13 perhaps or someone of that type? Just gives it that same feel for now